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PDW again   Small Arms <20mm

Started 20/12/20 by DavidPawley; 143448 views.
graylion

From: graylion

4-Oct

BTW any idea as to why the high dispersion? Recoil?

stancrist

From: stancrist

4-Oct

Maybe, but I'm not certain, as I've never shot a 5.7 pistol.  Since gatnerd has firsthand experience with both calibers, perhaps he can offer better input.

graylion

From: graylion

4-Oct

Sorry, I meant the MP9

stancrist

From: stancrist

4-Oct

Yes, the dispersion of the MP9 might be due to recoil. 

Note the tester's comments about the semi-auto TP9:

@ 11:47-12:49 https://youtu.be/GXR5zq1Gh_M?t=707

@ 16:49-17:05 https://youtu.be/GXR5zq1Gh_M?t=1009 

stancrist

From: stancrist

7-Oct

gatnerd said:

As I've said numerous times, and echoing Tony's comments, where the PDW makes the most sense is for the 'HE lobber.' A infantry guy whose primary job is employing man portable HE weapons (40mm smart grenades, 84mm CG, ATGMs, MANPADS, etc.)

As you know, the Marines do not share that view.  The new 15-man squad has every member equipped with the M27 rifle, including the guy who is tasked with toting the 84mm CG.

Interestingly, I happened to watch a USMC video (filmed late last month, I think) of a combat readiness evaluation in which the CG teams are armed with the M4 carbine, not the M27.

1:51-1:53  https://youtu.be/46aZ2zzUgjs?t=110

6:23-6:55  https://youtu.be/46aZ2zzUgjs?t=383

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

7-Oct

I suspect the Marines have realized even they have only so many supermen who can carry a CG and an M27. The little less weight of an M4 would be nice. And since M4 and M27 use the same mags, wouldn't  be too much of a problem using both weapons.

nincomp

From: nincomp

18-Oct

The SIG Rattler purchased by USSOCOM as PDW system [which] will allow Operators to have maximum firepower in a concealable weapon.’

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/10/18/ussocom-sig-rattler-reduced-signature-assault-rifle/

stancrist

From: stancrist

18-Oct

I do not understand why both USSOCOM and the ADF are calling their MCX variants a "personal defense weapon".

It is clearly intended for use as a concealable offensive weapon.  Perhaps they just didn't like the "COW" acronym?  scream

Sig Sauer MCX Rattler

Sign Sauer video

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