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PDW again   Small Arms <20mm

Started 20/12/20 by DavidPawley; 147181 views.
nincomp

From: nincomp

18-Oct

The SIG Rattler purchased by USSOCOM as PDW system [which] will allow Operators to have maximum firepower in a concealable weapon.’

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/10/18/ussocom-sig-rattler-reduced-signature-assault-rifle/

stancrist

From: stancrist

18-Oct

I do not understand why both USSOCOM and the ADF are calling their MCX variants a "personal defense weapon".

It is clearly intended for use as a concealable offensive weapon.  Perhaps they just didn't like the "COW" acronym?  scream

Sig Sauer MCX Rattler

Sign Sauer video

nincomp

From: nincomp

21-Oct

An article about  B&T USA's Universal Service Weapon chassis for the Glock small frame pistols (USW-G).  It is an aluminum chassis that provides a stock for Glock 17 and 19 pistols.  Although more bulky than the pistol itself, the folded system is reasonably compact and could be considered a "carry everywhere PDW".

The article is about it receiving a "national stock number".  

"The issuance of an NSN streamlines the product procurement process for all NATO members and partner countries, identifying all standardized material items of supply. The NSN number issued to the B&T USW-G is: 1005-12-420-1834."

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/10/21/bt-usa-usw-g-gets-national-stock-number-nsn/

JPeelen

From: JPeelen

21-Oct

Well, the stock number, if cited correctly, is a number assigned by the German (country code 12) logistics authority. Funny that nobody mentions this, in particular not the press release text.    

stancrist

From: stancrist

21-Oct

Somebody in the German logistics authority on the B&T payroll?  

JPeelen

From: JPeelen

22-Oct

In my opinion more likely the use of "navalized" Glocks by German special forces under the designation P9 (yes, a confusing designation considering the former use of HK P9 by police forces, among them GSG 9).

stancrist

From: stancrist

22-Oct

JPeelen said:

more likely the use of "navalized" Glocks by German special forces under the designation P9

Yes, that makes sense.  I did not know Glocks are used by any part of German armed forces.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

29-Oct

I have my foxtrot Mike fm15 with 11.5" barrel and it formerly had a folding brace until the ruling news picked up steam.

Now it has a shorty pistol length about 4 inch buffer tube with no adjustable stock compatibility and I've been using it as a cheek pdw.

It's essentially a rattler but $1500 cheaper and in 5.56.

With the right sling setup etc you can conceal them under coats and still outduel an akm at 300 meters with the right ammo selection ...

I guess that makes it a pdw if you squint at it real hard.

I just call it my shorty though 

Personally not a fan of 300 blowout especially since I don't have cans.

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