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Left-handed infantry   General Military Discussion

Started 27-Jan by autogun; 1533 views.
autogun

From: autogun

27-Jan

I was wondering how different armies (WW2 and modern) treated the small-arms training of left-handed infantry. Were/are they all expected to shoot right-handed, or allowed to shoot left-handed?

One case I have read of was the Bren Gun, which has the stock and sights skewed to one side so the gunner could see past the magazine. I've never had the pleasure of firing one, but I understand that it definitely had to be fired right-handed.

What about bolt-action rifles? I have fired Lee-Enfields left-handed on many occasions (I am normally right-handed, but for iron-sights shooting I have a left master eye - my right eye is short-sighted). It is a bit slower and more awkward to operate the bolt left-handed, but were the troops firmly discouraged from doing so?

How about SMGs? The Sterling is a kind of semi-bullpup, I'm not sure how comfortable that is to shoot left-handed. 

With bullpup rifles, most are difficult or uncomfortable to shoot left-handed (although recent designs are finding ways around this), and I believe that the British Army trains soldiers to fire right-handed only. 

Of course, the problem of left-handed shooting can be increased by the control layout although again, modern rifles often have ambidextrous controls.

Any information welcomed!

RovingPedant

From: RovingPedant

27-Jan

Looking at it from another perspective, such as handedness in other aspects of society:

https://rightleftrightwrong.com/history_recent.html

Until the 1960’s and 70’s there was an expectation that people could simply use things right-handed.

graylion

From: graylion

27-Jan

Back home, left handers were told "use the nice hand" in school.

stancrist

From: stancrist

27-Jan

I cannot offer any input re training of left-handed infantrymen, but US M1 and M14 rifles are ambidextrous designs:

     https://youtu.be/HAfN5FNuo_0?t=95

The M1 carbine does not have an ambi safety, but is usable by lefties:

     https://youtu.be/jMoR_xjEcrY?t=101

  • Edited 27 January 2021 11:29  by  stancrist
stancrist

From: stancrist

27-Jan

autogun said:

One case I have read of was the Bren Gun, which has the stock and sights skewed to one side so the gunner could see past the magazine. I've never had the pleasure of firing one, but I understand that it definitely had to be fired right-handed.

M1918 BAR

rockin' the BAR

JPeelen

From: JPeelen

27-Jan

The Wehrmacht shooting training manual HDv 240 as of 1937 required right-handed shooting. Left-handed was only allowed with a written medical certificate.  The Merkblatt 40/14 of 1943 did not change this.  

The Bundeswehr (ZDv 3/12 of 1972, item 305) leaves the choice to the soldier. But it recommends right-hand shooting because the safeties are laid out for right-hand operation. 

I have sometimes seen left-hand G3 shooting , but never with the machine gun or the MP2 (UZI).

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nincomp

From: nincomp

27-Jan

Does anyone know the prevalence of left-eye dominance?  I am left-handed, but right-eye dominant.

I broke bones my left hand when I was a teenager and had to write with my right hand for a couple of months.  It was strange, I developed a stutter and lost the ability to easily distinguish left from right without looking down at my hands (when given driving instructions, for example).  Things got better when I was again able to use my left hand, but it took some time.  The main advantage that I gained was to be able to write on a chalk board with either hand.  Writing on a chalk board with both hands never failed to cause the class to laugh, so the teachers soon stopped calling on me to do so.  Mission Accomplished!

autogun

From: autogun

27-Jan

Thanks Jochem

renatohm

From: renatohm

27-Jan

I can write with either hand, but my calligraphy is so terrible that friends joke about me having two left hands

That said, I usually shoot with my right hand, but I can shoot with either eye using either hand.

But there indeed are things I do better (less clumsy) with the left hand, and the lack of 'left hand friendliness' is a PITA.

  • Edited 27 January 2021 16:20  by  renatohm
JPeelen

From: JPeelen

28-Jan

Frankly, I had expected a number of contributions regarding the position of armies (over time) in this respect. I am surprised there are so few responses. Let me add quotes from British and Canadian Army manuals. 

[UK Small Arms Training, Vol. I, Pamphlet 3, 1937 (p. 35) and 1942 (p.13)]
Use of left shoulder
A man with a normal vision learning to use the rifle can be taught to fire from the right shoulder, for which the rifle is constructed, as easily as from the left. Any inclination to use the left shoulder will, therefore, be discouraged.
    
[CA Shoot to Live 1945]
(I did not find a single mention of left-handed shooters.)
 
[CA Shoot to Live 2004, p. 3-30]
If the soldier is right handed with a right master eye or left handed with a left master eye there is no difficulty. If the soldier is right handed with a left master eye or vice versa they should try both left and right handed holding, aiming and firing to determine which produces the best results.

  • Edited 28 January 2021 16:43  by  JPeelen
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