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The Bullpup is Dead   Small Arms <20mm

Started 5/9/21 by QuintusO; 33045 views.
In reply toRe: msg 183
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

10-Aug

It seems Ukrainian soldiers are still making bullpups out of AKs

Black Storm: Converting Ukraine's AK-74s into Bullpups

Ukrainian company Black Storm have developed a series of kits to allow AK pattern rifles to be converted into bullpups without tools and without physically a...

https://blackstorm.com.ua/ua/

https://armourersbench.com/2023/03/01/black-storm-converting-ukraines-ak-74s-into-bullpups/

farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

11-Aug

"We have X95 at home".;)

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

11-Aug

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

It seems Ukrainian soldiers are still making bullpups out of AKs

Much as I love bullpups, this stretches even my enthusiasm. Looks worse in every way but length then a regular AK.

graylion

From: graylion

13-Aug

gatnerd said:

Much as I love bullpups, this stretches even my enthusiasm. Looks worse in every way but length then a regular AK.

length might be relevant in trench warfare?

stancrist

From: stancrist

13-Aug

graylion said:

length might be relevant in trench warfare?

The difference in length between a standard AK and a bullpup AK might be unimportant in trench warfare?

Ukraine soldiers surprise Russian defenders and capture trench after intense firefight

Ukraine stormed a Russian trench in intense first-person video. Troops from the Separate Presidential Brigade led the attack. The battle happened in south-ea...

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  • Edited 13 August 2023 18:02  by  stancrist
In reply toRe: msg 188
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

24-Aug

Steyr USA recently did a new run of 24" HBAR barrels, alongside importing the 60mm height SF optic.

Very cool setup.

farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

25-Aug

Didn't they sell out in a couple hours?

stancrist

From: stancrist

25-Aug

I always liked the looks and proportions of the AUG HBAR.  I think it is much better in those respects than any other bullpup on the market.

Besides the caliber, the only thing I dislike about the AUG HBAR is use of a vertical fore grip instead of a traditional fore end like on the EM2.

As a result, I always shot my AUG with the fore grip folded up.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2-Oct

farmplinker2 said:

Didn't they sell out in a couple hours?

They just did another batch, alas also rapidly sold out. Steyr seems to time their releases for when my finances are at their worst / bills at their highest, so I missed this batch as well. 

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Meanwhile they are teasing a new rail system:

It's handsome, but I think the rail doesn't make much sense for the 16" version, as ergonomically a vertical grip is more comfortable at that distance from the shoulder. However a longer rail sized for the 20" barrel would be great, as thats a length where the C-clamp grip becomes comfy, and would also keep the hand far enough away from the gas port. 

A photoshop of a 20" rail from manticore to give an idea:

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

3-Oct

There are some tubular forend options for AUG from clawgear ,corvus defensio etc , but its hard to make a decent rail without having it cut for gasblock , Clawgear does have a cut while Corvus hides the gas block completely resoulting in a humongus forend width . Manticore is slimer as it leaves gasblock outside but imagine griping that hot gas block by accident Folks shoud just skip the whole round extrusion attempt and just make a lower and upper rail that could be much slimmer and likely asymmetric to cover the gas block while retaining slim handguard.

https://www.spartanat.com/2017/06/review-clawgear-aug-handuard-m-lok-und-keymod/

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