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The Bullpup is Dead   Small Arms <20mm

Started 5/9/21 by QuintusO; 41828 views.
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

28-Oct

These Ar15 familiar users could do same or better with Bullpup

It just shows typical PDW operator skill level .

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stancrist

From: stancrist

28-Oct

Heh, heh.  I suppose that video does show typical PDW operator skill level, but I must say that most of the operators shown do not look very "AR15 familiar"...  relaxed

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stancrist

From: stancrist

1-Nov

Meme time.  grin

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stancrist

From: stancrist

1-Nov

Why are modern bullpups typically not only ugly, but also very bulky and quite ass heavy?

Early, post-WW2 bullpup rifles like the T31 and EM2 were slender, well-balanced designs.

EmericD

From: EmericD

1-Nov

stancrist said:

Why are modern bullpups typically not only ugly, but also very bulky and quite ass heavy? Early, post-WW2 bullpup rifles like the T31 and EM2 were slender, well-balanced designs.

Maybe because you need to put your face very close to the action, and current rifles are designed to (safely) deliver large amount of automatic fire?

I imagine that the T31 was never designed to be able to shoot 200+ rounds in a few minutes, without inflicting serious burns to the shooter.

EmericD

From: EmericD

1-Nov

stancrist said:

Meme time. grin

By the way, the FAMAS was a good gun.

The problem is that the last FAMAS was produced in 1992... and that the spare parts were bought during the '80s in order to maintain the rifles for ~20 years.

stancrist

From: stancrist

1-Nov

EmericD said:

Maybe because you need to put your face very close to the action, and current rifles are designed to (safely) deliver large amount of automatic fire?

The EM2 was designed to (safely) deliver large amount of automatic fire, but does not have the bulbous butt and fore end of later bullpups.

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I would love to have a bullpup configured like this:

But these?  Yuck.  No thanks.

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EmericD

From: EmericD

1-Nov

stancrist said:

The EM2 was designed to (safely) deliver large amount of automatic fire, but does not have the bulbous butt and fore end of later bullpups.

I understand your point, but in the video the EM2 is firing only 4x 20-rds magazines, and I doubt that this gun was designed to fire more than 6x 20-rds magazines in a row (or 120 rounds).

That was perfectly Ok at this time (the cook-off limit of the M16A1was also around 120-140 rounds -full auto or semi auto-) but current expectations are way higher.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2-Nov

stancrist said:

But these?  Yuck.  No thanks

Whats interesting about the F2000's bulk is its almost all hollow air, and could be substantially slimmed down:

Imperfect concept sketch:

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Refleks

From: Refleks

2-Nov

We are all aware a lot goes into procurement beyond just what is the "better" gun, so it isn't necessarily the case that a nation replacing a bullpup with an M4 constitutes objective proof of the superiority of the platform (I'm not taking a side here, though I don't own a bullpup), though it can be argued.

The Kel Tec RFB is delightful concept as far as bullpups go. Slim, nicely balanced, and ejects forward. Unfortunately it's a Kel Tec, with all that it entails. I wouldn't choose it over a good AR when it involves life safety, but I like the concept and if anyone ever came out with aftermarket aluminum furniture they would have my money.

  • Edited 02 November 2023 6:23  by  Refleks
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