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Sweden & Finland look to 7.62x51 as primary infantry rifle Small Arms <20mm

Started 10/11/21 by gatnerd; 16983 views.

Msg 15 of 65 to gatnerdgatnerd

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From: EmericD

12/11/21

gatnerd said:
Wow, thats something I hadn't even considered. I had assumed if an ejection system could toss a ~11g case like 7.62 brass, it would have no problem ejecting a ~5g polymer case. I take it these base heavy cases proving iffy to eject?

They don't rotate the same way as a brass case, and it seems that ejection is not always reliable with a spring-loaded ejector (the case starts rotating around is CoG which is located very close to the casehead, then clears the extractor and jumps forward into the chamber, base first).

Msg 16 of 65

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From: gatnerd

13/1/22

A first glimpse of SAKO's AR10 design, the M23:

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_january_2022_global_security_army_industry/sako_from_finland_to_deliver_m23_sniper_and_marksman_rifles_to_finnish_army.html

Msg 17 of 65 to gatnerdgatnerd

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From: Farmplinker

13/1/22

Looks nice! Hopefully we'll get some imported here.

Msg 18 of 65 to gatnerdgatnerd

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From: stancrist

14/1/22

gatnerd said:
A first glimpse of SAKO's AR10 design, the M23

Interesting. A sniper rifle with a 16-inch barrel. Why so short?

Msg 19 of 65

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From: stancrist

14/1/22

If Finland and Sweden adopt a M23 variant for infantry riflemen, what will be their choice for SAW?

Sweden could continue to use the KSP 58, but it seems illogical for Finland to keep using the PKM.

Msg 20 of 65 to stancriststancrist

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From: mpopenker

14/1/22

stancrist said:
Interesting. A sniper rifle with a 16-inch barrel. Why so short?

it's a DMR. 16" is enough for 600-800 meters, and rifle is compact enough for typical Finnish landscape and proposed mode of operations (urban or woods; no chance of effective fighting in open)

Msg 21 of 65

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From: Mr. T (MrT4)

14/1/22

There are two versions one as semiautomatic sniper rifle and one as DMR rifle no mention if they are the same rifle just different optic . DMRs these days seem to be gravitating to 16in

Semi-automatic Sniper Rifle 23 is equipped with a high-quality optical sight that together with precision ammunition enables snipers to achieve effects in different targets up to a distance of 800 metres.

Designated Marksman Rifle 23 is more simplified in its weapon-mounted equipment, and designed for use by jaeger and infantry sections designated marksmen. This weapon increases the sections range up to 600 metres.