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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 356705 views.
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

3-May

Donbas salt mines had stored small arms for at least 2 mio men ,  In a separate video there is mountain loads of PPSh. But much of the arms are like you see WW2 vintage , But realisticaly this is crap that will be of much use only to collectors . 

In 2012 Russian military had over 16mio guns of all types in storage , in 2015 6.5mio were designated for disposal , there was a scheme where manufacturers would exchange 3 stored AK  for 1 new , but i don't know it that actually happened as unless you sold them off to US its kinda hard to sell 4mio guns to civilian market at profit 

17thfabn

From: 17thfabn

3-May

Could the Russian AK even be sold in the U.S.?

Two problems.

The biggest they are full auto.

2nd I believe the Biden administration banned importation of foreign military surplus weapons to the U.S.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

3-May

Clinton era Assault arms ban also banned the import of 58 types of modified military arms ,kept most of the worlds AK surplus out of US market. First ban on AK imports was already enacted in 89 after a mass shooting with an AK47

Having it modified for semi auto would not be much of an issue tough.  And right up to latest bans under Trump Aks were imported under various guises with US made parts added ....

nincomp

From: nincomp

3-May

Even in the 1990's in the US, the closest you could get to a Russian-made AK was the Saiga Sporting Rifle with a 10-round magazine. It was made by Izhmash and based on an AK-103 receiver.   The trigger was moved rearwards using a linkage and the rifle could not accept AK magazines without modification to either the rifle or the magazines.  It came in 16" and 20" barrel versions.  When you see ads about a "converted Saiga," this is what they started with.   They sold for $199, which Max assured us is below production cost.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

3-May

Molot rifles somehow dodged the ban for long time being based on RPK receiver

As sold in US

https://fimegroup.com/rifle/

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

3-May

It seems Snake island battle was very expensive for both sides, while at the time Ukraine did not acknowledge major loses so far its bit by bit it racking up to multiple attack jets , helicopters , patrol boats and landing parties 

The new revelation is that Caesar artillery pieces were the major player in making the Snake Island untenable to defend and also 2 of them were lost in that battle.

They were firing literally from the beach onto Snake Island.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

3-May

First vid of Shahed/Geran2 launches

nincomp

From: nincomp

3-May

The Molot rifles that were imported were also sporsterized (although less so than Saigas) and could not take AK mags.   If you read the details, most the rifles in the linked website have been converted from their original condition, some with US barrels and enough parts to meet current US regulations.   Pretty much as soon as they were modified to take AK mags, they had to be further modified with enough US made parts to become legal again.  Converting AK-based rifles with US parts is now a major American pastime.  The site also notes that the base rifles can no longer be imported.  This is how they originally looked:

  • Edited 03 May 2023 17:28  by  nincomp
stancrist

From: stancrist

3-May

17thfabn said:

The modified Maxim looks very bulky. Maybe best to leave it as it was and just add optics?

In its original format, the Russian Maxim is extremely heavy, better suited to firing from a fixed position.

Also, the original version is a water-cooled weapon, which complicates logistics and increases the weight.

I think the reason the modified Maxim looks so bulky is because of the relatively poor video quality.

Here is a better view with higher resolution.  IMO, it does not look much bulkier than the M1919A6.

Maxim light machine gun. Part five.

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Of course it would be simpler and easier to not do the air-cooled conversion, as per this modified Maxim:

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I guess it boils down to whether -- and how much -- importance is placed on reducing the soldier's load.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

4-May

Someone had a Bayraktar TB2 do a low pass over Kiev  ending in a shootdown .

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