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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 358176 views.
schnuersi

From: schnuersi

12-May

graylion said:

you know mate, we live on rather opposite ends of the political spectrum.

What makes you say that?
It would be quite difficult BTW because I don't belong to any spectrum. I am not intrested in doctrines or wings just in solutions.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

12-May

I am not going to answer all you arguments. Besides being to lazy I also think its pointless in a discussion, written on the internet.
Furthermore I don't want to derail this threat too much.

Just on thing for all you arguments: What you do is pretty common these days but this is neither an excuse or makes it better or understanable in the slightest.
You pick one extreme incident or circiumstance, often completly out of context, and argue as if its the average normal case. Even if the extreme case is true it can by no means be used to draw conclusions of the general whole.
This is why people like me say things like: democracy is not perfect but its better than all alternatives.
You argue in the lines: its not perfect in they way I want so it must be bad and everything around it and related to it are bad and need to be abolished.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

12-May

farmplinker2 said:

Strictly speaking, fascism is the truest form of democracy. All groups (corporations as fascist theorists called them) have representatives in an assembly.

Whereas various critics assure us the current system limits the participation of certain groups.

In this case its pretty obvious that the definition of fascism you use is not the one generally used.
Fascism by definition is an authoritatian rule with the main goal of centralising power with the foundation of a (in a nutshell) blood and soil ideology.
It is true that fascism is highly flexible in its means to get into power, maximising it and if possible increase it. But in the end its just temporary. Fascism uses free market economy as long at it serves its needs. If it doesn'T its replaced in the blink of an idea. By all means necessary. Which is on of the other defining elements of fascism. The end justifies the means for a fascist.

So by definition fascism is directly oposit of any form of democracy. For a time a fascit leader or regime might tolerate some form of democracy or political participation if it serves his or its needs. As soon as it doesn't its gone. Or some form of token or fake participation remains. Fascism also shared a lot similarities with Communism. The difference is in the doctrinal foundation. Communists define by class fascists by nationality. The regime of North Korea for example could be text book fascist if they would not have the class struggle in their background and ideology. If this would be exchanged for nationality and ancestry they would be fascist.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

12-May

Genuinely new and surprising weapon to show up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160_MALD

https://www.theinfographicsshow.com/adm-160-secret-weapon-missile/

  • Edited 12 May 2023 17:36  by  gatnerd
farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

13-May

REAL FASCISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED!

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

13-May

I think you could claim the same for many systems, each is specific to the time and populations its applied to, probably none fit in a box of definitions or better jet definitions get crafted around one particular example and are then applied to other roughly similar regimes.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

13-May

Today was quite costly for Russian airborne assets, shotdown or crashed relatively deep inside Russian airspace.

* have to say that extensive watermarks on all the visual material in this war is an outright war crime.

graylion

From: graylion

13-May

German PzH 2000 Howitzers Suffer 'Image Collapse' In Ukraine

German Panzerhaubitze (PzH) 2000 self-propelled howitzers, hailed as the modern replacement for old Soviet artillery in the Ukrainian military service, are s...

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

13-May

Some MPF style action of a tank clearing trenches alongside a squad of infantry; I may have been wrong about the utility of MPF as we've seen a number of vids like this.

Germany sending UA $3 Billion is weapons, lots of good stuff:

Germany setting up Patriot missile production and possible others

Patriot itself believed to be target of Kinzal attack, based on electronic signals Patriot emits.

Area Storm Shadow can potentially target:

CAESAR in action:

French-made CAESAR Howitzer and Polish Drone FlyEye in combat operations in Ukraine to fight Russia

What does effective teamwork within the Ukrainian Armed Forces look like? We join two units working together to destroy Russian targets with the help of mode...

  • Edited 13 May 2023 23:29  by  gatnerd
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

14-May

If anything  PZH and Cesar  are getting the best PR in the Ukraine war second only to Himars , as they are rarely hit.   The biggest reputational hit is probably to M777 which has been like the kamikaze of artillery, the most killed artillery of the war. Followed by M109 and Krab but definitely not the PZH2000 , i think we have only seen 2 vids of PZH2000 and 1 or 2 of Cesar hit. Sure PzH2000 needed servicing to keep in order , other systems don't live long enough to come to that stage.

Of some 150  M777 supplied to Ukraine, Lancets alone killed at least 85 , lightweight construction also meant that damage that would not be fatal to other artillery is often fatal to M777, if anything M777 needs to be scraped or better yet mounted on a wheeled chassis.

Chinese  PCL-181 truck howitzer seems like the best compromise for a cheap manual or semi-automated loading on a light chassis with decent ammo load , and an armored platform.

Surprisingly for such a light platform its also capable of direct line of sight fire.

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