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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 158337 views.
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

13-Jul

I am actually surprised US will be supplying ATACMS as these are probably waste of launcher time and logistics, they can be intercepted by number of SAMs with relative ease like Tocka 

Still think mass introduction of Tocka U that were previously mustered out of use to DNR & LNR militias likely comes as a response to HIMARS

https://t.me/rosich_rus/14902

While iran is one of the world's most prolific users of drones and definitely makes much wider array of tactical drones and particulary strike drones that Russia never fielded in numbers. 

I would treat Iran drone news with extreme skepticism, its much more likely something published so Biden has some cover for whatever unsavory deal he will have to make to please MBS.

As long as Iran still has some access to European banks and markets so its not likely to jeopardise that , US on the other hand has no leverage left with all trump era sanctions in place.

Meanwhile Ukraine is kinda running out of bodies for its '1 million man army '

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/new-ukrainian-unicorn-million-man-army/

graylion

From: graylion

13-Jul

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Still think mass introduction of Tocka U that were previously mustered out of use to DNR & LNR militias comes as a response to HIMARS

"mass"? According to Wikipedia RF has 24 launchers and the things have a CEP of 150m - good luck hitting a HiMARS with that ...

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

13-Jul

RF supposedly retired all of theirs , but there are suposedly cca 1000 Tochka U in storage  many with cluster warheads that can be used if needed , Tochka-U CEP is well below 100m , In live firing demonstrations, CEP of 50m or so was demonstrated .

*24 launchers in Wiki probably refers to only one brigade using them prior to retirement as there are at least 18 launchers per brigade and you can bet your money there are way more than 24 launch vehicles for them in storage.Ukraine had 90 or so .

In any case in regards to HIMARS problem for the Russian's is finding them in the first place, destroying them if found is likely nonissue.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

13-Jul

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

I am actually surprised US will be supplying ATACMS as these are probably waste of launcher time and logistics

I hadn't heard anything about supplying ATACMS; rumor was that was one of the 'promised NOT to send' weapons due to concerns it could be used to strike Russia. 

I think it would be cool if they did send them. Even if a large % are intercepted, if used exclusively against high value targets, even a few getting through will have an effect (especially psychologically.)

And with the US out of INF and developing PrSM to replace ATACMS, its not likely the US will ever get to put them to good use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_Strike_Missile

So I'd much rather see Ukraine lighting them off rather than the US warehousing them until its time for them to be demilled. 

graylion

From: graylion

13-Jul

gatnerd said:

I hadn't heard anything about supplying ATACMS; rumor was that was one of the 'promised NOT to send' weapons due to concerns it could be used to strike Russia.  I think it would be cool if they did send them. Even if a large % are intercepted, if used exclusively against high value targets, even a few getting through will have an effect (especially psychologically.) And with the US out of INF and developing PrSM to replace ATACMS, its not likely the US will ever get to put them to good use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_Strike_Missile So I'd much rather see Ukraine lighting them off rather than the US warehousing them until its time for them to be demilled. 

There is a rumour going around about ATACMS being supplied. No idea TBH. But I second the approval. Also I am looking forward to UA letting RF find a HiMARS and welcoming them with Gepard when they accept the invitation.

graylion

From: graylion

17-Jul

Talking about rumours - Sweden supposedly supplied Archers?

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

17-Jul

M777

https://t.me/milinfolive/87181

Looks like Krab

https://t.me/milinfolive/87183

Former Czech Mil35 and Mil 8 , it seems lobbing missiles is now practiced on both sides.  But it was still amusing ob some brit pilot on BBC said that when they were lobbing iron bombs with Tornados in Gulf war it was a precision job with computer controled release. - maybe but was about as inacurate as this lobing if not more so considering the distance over which they were lobbing the unguided bombs. For exact same reasons taking too many casualties early on. 

https://t.me/milinfolive/87134

graylion

From: graylion

18-Jul

regarding the loss of Moskva

Bad design can kill: Missile defense and user fatigue

How did Ukraine sink Russia's flagship cruiser Moskva with two missiles? The ship can defend itself, so something must have gone wrong. In this video I discu...

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

19-Jul

graylion said:

Talking about rumours - Sweden supposedly supplied Archers

I had heard this as well, but it was reported awhile ago. A 1 min google didn't turn up anything more, but a 5-10 minute search may.

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