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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 158337 views.
Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

19-Jul

It seems like there's a certain amount of "highly placed sources" saying certain things will be delivered to Ukraine, but they never are. MiG-29s, for example.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

19-Jul

Two friendly fire hits on RuAF

First a SU34 now it looks like a Su35 was shot down by their own SAMs

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/20282

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

20-Jul

Found this on an ARFCOM ukraine war thread. Reportedly from a Wagner Telegram channel on the effects of HIMARS. 

https://t.me/grey_zone/14362

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

21-Jul

I dont recall us seeing these before?

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

21-Jul

Discussion of how HIMARS may be causing Russia to move logistics further away from the frontlines:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/w3irlr/ru_forces_are_moving_the_train_offload_points_out/

More HIMARS to be sent (ATACMS still unknown)

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/w32lh8/american_national_security_council_coordinator/

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

21-Jul

I imagine we are now in HIMARS hype stage like previously M777 and in a couple of weeks it will be the next thing (ATACMS?), These days any success is attributed to HIMARS, but i do have some doubts of that being the case ,hype associated with all things Ukraine is just mindboggling, there is lots of pressure to present a win at every step even though the reality is nothing even remotely close to winning in sight just 1000 soldiers lost per day for well over a month now in a slow but steady grind. 

Ukraine possesses or possessed launchers that outrange Himars and in much larger quantities and even guided warheads for them yet no one was publishing stories of winning with those against fixed area targets like ammo depots. ATACMS is likely much less useful than folk think as similar profile missiles like tochka are much easier targets for SAM than multiple rocket salvos. I imagine front-line storage sites are first and foremost being dispersed and maybe some more major hubs being moved back but not that far

Ranges on the maps are drawn as if HIMARS is operating on the very forward edge of the front line !!    Instead of far behind it which is a much more survivable option as the danger of enemy recon and counter fires is reduced considerably.

Both sides face similar supply issues, here is Ukrainian depot in Mykolaiv going boom  in what looks like 300mm 9M542  rocket from Tornado-S MLRS

Extremely rare and expensive trophy  DSR-Precision DSR-1

Red7272

From: Red7272

26-Jul

I remember the advertisements in the 1980s for Goalkeeper saying is was able to destroy 3 waves of 4 Exocets and that was considered exceptional performance. Also the US thought the majority of the soviet systems were diving from high altitude so very simple to detect and stop even at mach 4+

Both side operated on the assumption that their plans would work and that those of the enemy would fail. 

Red7272

From: Red7272

26-Jul

The other thing is that the guns are firing HEI against missiles which even they have recognised as a dumb idea and there was a supposed plan to add a second feed for 500 round of APDS to each mount. Though given how badly everything else has worked the likelihood of that being a real program that has been retrofitted to any ships is low.

"Several guys on a naval forum have told me that a Phalanx system will shoot down a supersonic missile no problem. IF they are aware a missile is inbound and all necessary gear is turned on."

Which is potentially optimistic given that the engagement time of a mach 2 missile is about 2.1 seconds prior to impact. 

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