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MGs   Small Arms <20mm

Started 9/5/22 by graylion; 10715 views.
graylion

From: graylion

18/5/22

schnuersi said:

The 35 mm ammo is still in the supply chain.

But manufactured in .ch and can't be shipped to a war zone ...

graylion

From: graylion

18/5/22

schnuersi said:

Getting a new manufacturer approved, getting a new budget for additional ammo and settung up the QM and logistics are an administrative nightmare and takes at least month. All of this matters little since the alternative manufacturers most likly work at full capacity too.

And isn't that Ukraine's business?

EmericD

From: EmericD

18/5/22

graylion said:

But manufactured in .ch and can't be shipped to a war zone ...

C'est l'histoire de l'arroseur arrosé... (sorry, it's in French but I can't resist).

graylion

From: graylion

18/5/22

EmericD said:

C'est l'histoire de l'arroseur arrosé

help please ;) google translate is not making a lot of sense ...

EmericD

From: EmericD

18/5/22

graylion said:

help please ;) google translate is not making a lot of sense ...

The German government had a large record of not allowing the exportation of several French-German joint products, or even French products that used German parts...

  • Edited 18 May 2022 12:04  by  EmericD
stancrist

From: stancrist

18/5/22

graylion said:

       EmericD said: C'est l'histoire de l'arroseur arrosé

help please ;) google translate is not making a lot of sense ...

This may not help either, but it appears to be what he's referring to.

The Watered Sprinkler - Wikipedia (fr-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog)

graylion

From: graylion

18/5/22

teehee! thanks!

In reply toRe: msg 163
schnuersi

From: schnuersi

18/5/22

EmericD said:

The German government had a large record of not allowing the exportation of several French-German joint products, or even French products that used German parts...

Basically every government has such rules. The US have ITAR. That is nothing special... as such.
The German rules used to be "no defense products into crisis regions". Which has been controversial to say the least. Especially the definition of what a crisis region is. This rule has been dropped since the invasion of the Ukraine. Which also was very controversial
The Swiss government has rules that are tied to their neutrality status. Delivering weapons to an active war party could compromise that so they forbid it. This has so far not been a problem. I am convinced that 99,99% of our politician and high ranking MoD officials have not been aware of this at all.

taschoene

From: taschoene

18/5/22

And Switzerland is making some noises about being willing to "backfill" inventory sent to conflict zones by others (so, if Germany ships its 35mm to Ukraine, Switzerland could be willing to resupply Germany, but not supply Ukraine directly).  Which leaves an interesting question of how long the inventory has to be in German possession first.  Is 24 hours long enough?

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