Military Guns and Ammunition
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This is intended for people interested in the subject of military guns and their ammunition, with emphasis on automatic weapons.
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From: EmericD
19/5/22
schnuersi said:I also don't know any examples of when Germany blocked the export of a common product to a third party.
Milan ER / Aravis / Cougar helicopters / Meteor missiles...
schnuersi said:What I do know is that this treaty is highly controversial in both France and Germany for several reasons. Mostly because the wording of the treaty is so soft it can easily be interpreted in any direction.
I don't know the German version of the treaty, but the wording in French is pretty straightforward!
"Aucun des deux gouvernements n'empêchera l'autre d'exporter ou de laisser exporter dans des pays tiers du matériel d'armement issu de développements ou de productions menés en coopération."
From: schnuersi
19/5/22
EmericD said:Milan ER / Aravis / Cougar helicopters / Meteor missiles...
As far as I understand none of the above, except for Meteor, are common products covered by the treaty in the first place.
Just mentioning systems is a bit unprecise. The concrete year and customer country would help so I could try look it up.
The last project mentioned in official German paper about the treaty is the Tiger. It also mentiones that no request by the French side related to the treaty was ever denied. In some cases there was concideration but the possible deal fell appart befor a decision was made.
But I am not a lawyer and usually steer away from such problems. Its just not worth the headache. Especially if politics are involved as well.
I should also mention that none of this is public knowledge in Germany. I am hearing about this (not the treaty as such but the troubles) for the first time.
- Edited 19 May 2022 10:47 by schnuersi
From: Mr. T (MrT4)
13-May
New Mexican MG seems to be using a lot of polymer parts.
- Edited 13 May 2023 10:02 by Mr. T (MrT4)
From: mpopenker
13-May
Mr. T (MrT4) said:New Mexican MG seems to be using a lot of polymer parts.
which one?
From: Mr. T (MrT4)
13-May
ALX -light machine gun in 7.62 and AGX a variable speed Gatling in 5.56 supposedly developed for use on armored vehicles
La Dirección General de Industria Militar es una dependencia fundamental para la Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional, ya que es la que administra el complejo i...
- Edited 13 May 2023 15:03 by Mr. T (MrT4)
From: gatnerd
13-May
Nice find, hadn't heard about that one.
AUG style cutlass handguard is a mistake. It works great on the AUG because theres a little ridge on the grip, plus the AUG uses a sliding style trigger.
On a pivoting trigger, it's too easy to end up with the middle finger wedged behind the trigger. This was my experience with the Tavor X95 cutlass grip.
The Mexican MG setup looks even worse as theres no border wall at all to keep the middle finger out from behind the trigger.
From: Mr. T (MrT4)
14-May
If the hand grip is the only mayor problem they will solve it .
All in all it looks like they applied a lot of HK tech from G36 which they manufacture under license to whole family of arms , question is can the polymer frame work with MG , its not that polymers can't handle the heat , some hadle more than aluminum , it more that they are not good at transferring heat, so soaking up and shedding that steels and aluminum is good at.
While line of 'new' arms
MARZO 2023 - pRESENTACION 3D DE LA FAMILIA DE RIFLES XIUHCOATL 2023FX05 5.56MMSAX 200 ...
- Edited 14 May 2023 6:08 by Mr. T (MrT4)