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Squad Support Weapon   Army Guns 20+mm

Started 17-Jun by stancrist; 20751 views.
stancrist

From: stancrist

3-Jul

graylion said:

If we follow that - 24 rounds of grenades vs 210 of 5.56? not buying. no way can you replace the rifle with it.

You may be right.  It just seems like 30 rounds (4 + 1 x 6-rd mags) of 40mm HEAB might be a lot more effective, with higher hit probability, than 210 rounds (6 + 1 x 30-rd mags) of 5.56mm bullets in most infantry combat scenarios.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

4-Jul

stancrist said:

It just seems like 30 rounds (4 + 1 x 6-rd mags) of 40mm HEAB might be a lot more effective, with higher hit probability, than 210 rounds (6 + 1 x 30-rd mags) of 5.56mm bullets in most infantry combat scenarios.

That is a really intresting question. But it would propably require extensive testing and analysis.

The potential at least ist there concidering that 210 rds 5,56 are ineffective. The last numbers I saw a rifleman barely can carry enough ammo to statistically achieve one kill.

stancrist

From: stancrist

4-Jul

schnuersi said:

...it would propably require extensive testing and analysis.

Fully agree.  It should be thoroughly tested and analyzed.

graylion

From: graylion

5-Jul

stancrist said:

You may be right.  It just seems like 30 rounds (4 + 1 x 6-rd mags) of 40mm HEAB might be a lot more effective, with higher hit probability, than 210 rounds (6 + 1 x 30-rd mags) of 5.56mm bullets in most infantry combat scenarios.

and no suppressive fire?

stancrist

From: stancrist

5-Jul

graylion said:

and no suppressive fire?

If you want the ability to provide suppressive fire, why would you use rifles?

JesseH1234

From: JesseH1234

9-Jul

I do really love the idea of rifle grenades, on paper anyway they are definitely efficient pound for pound (and probably dollar for dollar-------little fuzed shells are pricey, and any kind of timed airburst thingy will be crazy expensive).  I think 40mm grenades are ~50% fuze by both mass and volume.  While obviously easier to hit with if you've got it, even a high velocity 30mm cannon won't punch through the kind of armor a good HEAT rifle grenade will.  Massed frag grenades, or the ability to put up a wall of smoke at a distance without calling anyone...... very attractive. 

My only potential beef/question on rifle grenades: can you actually get most troops to actually use them?  Is there a way to mitigate the recoil?  Or is everyone just a wimp but France, Japan, and some plucky Balkanites?  My impression is that while RGs are vastly more efficient in terms of payload delivered, most militaries have gone the 30-40mm tube route because rifle grenades are just so unpleasant to shoot. 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

9-Jul

25mm OCSW round had both range an ability to penetrate armor  , Rifle granades have punch but are hard to aim at any real distance 

17thfabn

From: 17thfabn

9-Jul

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

It looks like the system you are showing is a crew served weapon.

Wouldn't a better comparison be to the 25 mm individual weapons ?

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