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Anti-drone RWS   Army Guns 20+mm

Started 20/11/22 by graylion; 33699 views.
In reply toRe: msg 201
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

1-Nov

Israel now experiencing need for anti drone tech. 

https://twitter.com/John_A_Ridge/status/1719786064460558484

farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

2-Nov

Would have thought the folks who invented the modern combat drone would know this was going to happen.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2-Nov

farmplinker2 said:

Would have thought the folks who invented the modern combat drone would know this was going to happen

It seems they may have gotten a little complacent over the years.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2-Nov

IDF have shown themselves to be a low-grade third-world army much the same as the arabs they are surrounded with only thing they really have is first world airforce  , spent decades shooting unarmed civilians and policing a prison and still get owned every time someone can shoot back . On 7th they folded like sack of potatos and ran away from couple of dudes in flipflops , ANA looks like superior military at this point. 

They might need them ISIS and AQ folks they are so fond of and supported in Syria to give them some pointers on warfighting

They are lucky that Palestinians,do not have any arms outside DIY shit they cook up themselves. 

Seriously for a super militarized country that lacks everything and now run on alliexpress , the gear looks like out of the 60's  , but i guess its good enough to shoot at unarmed civilians 

 

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2-Nov

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

for a super militarized country ...the gear looks like out of the 60's

I have been surprised by this as well. Lots of very dated looking kit, many look to not be wearing body armor at all, or are wearing soft flak jackets. Many with Iron sight equipped M4's (not even a flashlight mounted much less an optic.) 

Very Arab, or reminiscent of some of the more poorly equipped units Russia has fielded in Ukraine. 

For me the most unsettling is this unholy abomination: rather then spend the $ on the slick and well integrated factory 40mm for the X95, they are recycling their old US M203 handy me downs by giving the Tavor a ~20+" barrel/long flashider, turning the bullpup into a m16 length weapon in the process. 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2-Nov

They didn't carry plate armor as they typically only deal with folks throwing rocks.  In Ukraine and Russia as some of the most corrupt countries you understand higher ups stolle the funds . So who stole IDF gear? 

Or its just Jews being cheapskates,jokes write themselves ,the shoes are the worst , looks like they bought some second hand surplus and use them till they fall apart.

But its enough for their Tik Tok game as it seems like half the IDF is twerking their arses on Tik Tok in an attempt to sanitize mass murder.

farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

4-Nov

Conscript armies tend to end up cheapening out on gear. They might have some really new kit, but mostly "old reliable". And with reserves, "Hey, they only use it a little" becomes a problem. Also, Wouldn't be surprised if a couple planeloads of body armor show up from the US.

And considering the cl[st@rf[ck that uniform acquisition has been in the US the last few decades, 60s Olive Drab doesn't seem like a bad idea.

In reply toRe: msg 209
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

16-Nov

US beginning MSHORAD training in Germany:

https://twitter.com/AirPowerNEW1/status/1725331503645639113

Using camo - clearly a lesson re-learned from Ukraine; I dont think the US used any overhead camo in the last 20 years.

In reply toRe: msg 210
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

17-Nov

Pentagon working on counter drone plans. They don't believe a defense based method alone will work, and that an equal focus needs to be on destroying drones (and their pilots and logistics) before the drones can be put in the air. 

https://defensescoop.com/2023/11/14/dod-moving-fast-to-update-counter-drone-strategy/

“Once mass drone swarm technology is established, it will be an increasingly difficult threat to intercept. In those cases, the best options for defenders may be ‘left-of-launch’ strikes on [command-and-control] nodes and ground control stations associated with the attack,” the report said.

This to me seems 'meh' as a strategy, as drones are small and easily distributed, and do not require a large command and control network to operate. They are closer to small arms / ATGMs / mortars than traditional aircraft and SAM networks in terms of being able to detect and interdict them from the air prior to launch.

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