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Anti-drone RWS Army Guns 20+mm

Started 20/11/22 by graylion; 7753 views.

Msg 61 of 115

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From: graylion

24-Feb

I am thinking that we quite possibly want to include anti drone functionality in all RWS, and, at the same time, revisit where we put RWS. The EOS TITANIS system looks like an option https://www.eos-aus.com/defence

Msg 62 of 115

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From: graylion

14-Mar

Anti drone 12.7mm gatling

https://youtu.be/yt-wQrMflZ8 (somehow the insert media thang is not working)

Edited 14 March 2023 8:20 by graylion

Msg 63 of 115 to grayliongraylion

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From: Mr. T (MrT4)

15-Mar

Must be new training course for Leopard tankers , shooting at drone with Mg or is this supposed to represent shooting at helos and jets?

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From: schnuersi

15-Mar

Mr. T (MrT4) said:
Must be new training course for Leopard tankers , shooting at drone with Mg or is this supposed to represent shooting at helos and jets?

No this isn't new at all. Its actually very old. This technique to train shooting at aircraft has been used pre WW2.

Its standard AA gunnery training with the GPMG. Used to be part of every basic training with the AA tripod. During branch specific training its repeated with branch specific mounts.

The size, distance, speed and angle of the model plane are in scale and represent an aircraft passing at 500 m and in slow mode with 150 m/s and in fast mode 300 m/s. If I recall correct. This corresponds with the aiming marks on the standard AA sight.

Edited 15 March 2023 11:11 by schnuersi

Msg 65 of 115 to schnuersischnuersi

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From: JPeelen

15-Mar

For the sake of accuracy, the MG3 AA sight is designed for 250 m/s (jets) and 100 m/s (propeller).

Msg 66 of 115

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From: gatnerd

14-May

APKWS being further refined as a sorta low cost anti drone munition. Key seems to be detecting the drone in time, and having a laser designator that can lock onto the drone and track it.

Twitter

AirPower 2.0 (MIL_STD) on Twitter

"During the DOD-led exercise at Yuma Proving Ground, Arizona, the 70 mm APKWS-guided rockets demonstrated 100 perce... https://t.co/qTgtjBzdd3

From: PRM2

15-May

Also of note in the twitter link is the mention of a newly developed proximity fuse for APKWS.

Msg 68 of 115 to gatnerdgatnerd

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From: graylion

15-May

Overall I think that drone detection is the biggie. Either add that to the vehcile or add an x-band radar to the platoon or company.

Msg 69 of 115 to PRM2PRM2

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From: gatnerd

15-May

PRM2 said:
Also of note in the twitter link is the mention of a newly developed proximity fuse for APKWS

Yes thats another big upgrade for the APKWS. It's becoming a pretty versatile bit of kit. What I like about the APKWS and 30x113mm Prox is that its multi roll, capable of both ground to ground anti infantry work as well as anti drone work.

We're seeing ground to ground use in Ukraine now, but the APKWS was afaik initially sent as part of 'anti drone' aid. Wonder if they had the Prox fuses or not?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/what-the-vampire-weapon-system-the-u-s-is-sending-to-ukraine-can-actually-do