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Squad organisation for Elbonia   General Army topics

Started 25-Dec by graylion; 3345 views.
graylion

From: graylion

25-Dec

So Elbonia decides to go with the CV90 MkIV 40mm CTA Grayilon&Schnuersi turret. These are 6 seaters. How to organise a squad?

USArmy platoon for comparison:

a 9 man squad is rather small for modern requirements one feels. 2 fireteams of 4 + commander, drone operator and somebody for EW? Or is that a company asset?

The SPAAG version of that vehicle on company level? As well as some kind of FSV? CV90-AMOS? And some drones of course.

  • Edited 25 December 2022 13:32  by  graylion
Jeff (Jefffar)

From: Jeff (Jefffar)

25-Dec

Once the dismount group size drops to 7 or less I'm partial to the idea of abandoning the squad idea altogether.

Instead divide the Platoon into 2 sections of 2 vehicles each.   Lead vehicle of the first section is commanded by the Platoon Leader.  Lead vehicle of the second section is commanded by the Platoon Sgt.

Each dismount group is lead by a group leader (probably a Sgt) and while the group can split, it's not designed to form into 2 identical fireteams.  The 2 dismount groups in each section are trained to work together like a pair of oversized fireteams in a signle squad under the direction of the senoir dismount group leader.    The dismounts from 2 sections are trained to work together like 2 oversize squads.

graylion

From: graylion

25-Dec

Jeff (Jefffar) said:

Once the dismount group size drops to 7 or less I'm partial to the idea of abandoning the squad idea altogether. Instead divide the Platoon into 2 sections of 2 vehicles each.   Lead vehicle of the first section is commanded by the Platoon Leader.  Lead vehicle of the second section is commanded by the Platoon Sgt. Each dismount group is lead by a group leader (probably a Sgt) and while the group can split, it's not designed to form into 2 identical fireteams.  The 2 dismount groups in each section are trained to work together like a pair of oversized fireteams in a signle squad under the direction of the senoir dismount group leader.    The dismounts from 2 sections are trained to work together like 2 oversize squads.

Oh I like that! 

So what could be the roles of the 2 dismount groups? And what to call them? Squads?

Also, do we want 4 vehicles / 2 sections per platoon or 6/3? I am kinda leaning towars the latter.
 

A striker company strikes me as a potetial good starting model, just with more vehicles. Also @schnuersi - do you need a weapons section when you have an IFV?


  • Edited 26 December 2022 1:29  by  graylion
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Jeff (Jefffar)

From: Jeff (Jefffar)

25-Dec

Techncially the platoon is composed of 2 hybrid vehicle/infantry sections of 2 vehicles and their dismount groups.

So the pair of dismount groups working together are technically a section, I guess? 

Though it's important to note that each is really a mini-squad more than an overgrown fireteam, so there is a degree of independance they are capable of that a fire team doens't have.  They just generally work as pairs because the structure of the platoon with 4 dismount groups divides out that way. 

I also have an idea for a slight size destruction on those well armoured IFVs to the point where they are 4 or 5 dismounts per vehicle.  Then mount a single Fireteam in each vehicle, with a squad across 2 vehicles and 6 vehicles in the platoon.  Platoon Commander and Platoon SGt can be vehicle commanders as before.

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graylion

From: graylion

25-Dec

I think we're really describing the same thing with different words here.

  • Option A: 4 man fireteam + leader + specialist called a squad
  • Option B: 1/2 section of 6 men * 2 with different specialisations.

very very similar. @Jeffar what would the different specialisations be? Like old French Army? 6 grenadiers, 6 fusiliers?

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

26-Dec

graylion said:

I think we're really describing the same thing with different words here.

Option A: 4 man fireteam + leader + specialist called a squad

Option B: 1/2 section of 6 men * 2 with different specialisations.

There is a thrid option:
The squad is 9 men divided into the vehicle team and the dismount team.
A platoon is four squads. So four IFVs with crew and four teams of dismounts.

I really don't see the problem.
How these elements are named is not really important IMHO. You could use traditional nomencalture for the Elboian history, NATO standard or something made up.
From my point of view there is only one important thing: its a very, very dumb idea to split the dismount squads, teams, contuberniums, elbows or what ever up between multiple vehicles.

graylion

From: graylion

26-Dec

schnuersi said:

From my point of view there is only one important thing: its a very, very dumb idea to split the dismount squads, teams, contuberniums, elbows or what ever up between multiple vehicles.

As long as it isn't knees ;) How has this worked for the US Army?

graylion

From: graylion

26-Dec

schnuersi said:

A platoon is four squads. So four IFVs with crew and four teams of dismounts.

How does the platoon commander and his 1 to 3 other guys drive to work?

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