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25-Dec
So Elbonia decides to go with the CV90 MkIV 40mm CTA Grayilon&Schnuersi turret. These are 6 seaters. How to organise a squad?
USArmy platoon for comparison:
a 9 man squad is rather small for modern requirements one feels. 2 fireteams of 4 + commander, drone operator and somebody for EW? Or is that a company asset?
The SPAAG version of that vehicle on company level? As well as some kind of FSV? CV90-AMOS? And some drones of course.
25-Dec
Once the dismount group size drops to 7 or less I'm partial to the idea of abandoning the squad idea altogether.
Instead divide the Platoon into 2 sections of 2 vehicles each. Lead vehicle of the first section is commanded by the Platoon Leader. Lead vehicle of the second section is commanded by the Platoon Sgt.
Each dismount group is lead by a group leader (probably a Sgt) and while the group can split, it's not designed to form into 2 identical fireteams. The 2 dismount groups in each section are trained to work together like a pair of oversized fireteams in a signle squad under the direction of the senoir dismount group leader. The dismounts from 2 sections are trained to work together like 2 oversize squads.
25-Dec
Jeff (Jefffar) said:Once the dismount group size drops to 7 or less I'm partial to the idea of abandoning the squad idea altogether. Instead divide the Platoon into 2 sections of 2 vehicles each. Lead vehicle of the first section is commanded by the Platoon Leader. Lead vehicle of the second section is commanded by the Platoon Sgt. Each dismount group is lead by a group leader (probably a Sgt) and while the group can split, it's not designed to form into 2 identical fireteams. The 2 dismount groups in each section are trained to work together like a pair of oversized fireteams in a signle squad under the direction of the senoir dismount group leader. The dismounts from 2 sections are trained to work together like 2 oversize squads.
Oh I like that!
So what could be the roles of the 2 dismount groups? And what to call them? Squads?
Also, do we want 4 vehicles / 2 sections per platoon or 6/3? I am kinda leaning towars the latter.
A striker company strikes me as a potetial good starting model, just with more vehicles. Also @schnuersi - do you need a weapons section when you have an IFV?
25-Dec
Techncially the platoon is composed of 2 hybrid vehicle/infantry sections of 2 vehicles and their dismount groups.
So the pair of dismount groups working together are technically a section, I guess?
Though it's important to note that each is really a mini-squad more than an overgrown fireteam, so there is a degree of independance they are capable of that a fire team doens't have. They just generally work as pairs because the structure of the platoon with 4 dismount groups divides out that way.
I also have an idea for a slight size destruction on those well armoured IFVs to the point where they are 4 or 5 dismounts per vehicle. Then mount a single Fireteam in each vehicle, with a squad across 2 vehicles and 6 vehicles in the platoon. Platoon Commander and Platoon SGt can be vehicle commanders as before.
25-Dec
I think we're really describing the same thing with different words here.
very very similar. @Jeffar what would the different specialisations be? Like old French Army? 6 grenadiers, 6 fusiliers?
26-Dec
graylion said:I think we're really describing the same thing with different words here.
Option A: 4 man fireteam + leader + specialist called a squad
Option B: 1/2 section of 6 men * 2 with different specialisations.
There is a thrid option:
The squad is 9 men divided into the vehicle team and the dismount team.
A platoon is four squads. So four IFVs with crew and four teams of dismounts.
I really don't see the problem.
How these elements are named is not really important IMHO. You could use traditional nomencalture for the Elboian history, NATO standard or something made up.
From my point of view there is only one important thing: its a very, very dumb idea to split the dismount squads, teams, contuberniums, elbows or what ever up between multiple vehicles.
26-Dec
schnuersi said:From my point of view there is only one important thing: its a very, very dumb idea to split the dismount squads, teams, contuberniums, elbows or what ever up between multiple vehicles.
As long as it isn't knees ;) How has this worked for the US Army?
26-Dec
schnuersi said:A platoon is four squads. So four IFVs with crew and four teams of dismounts.
How does the platoon commander and his 1 to 3 other guys drive to work?