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weight loss via CT approach   General Military Discussion

Started 16-Aug by smg762; 855 views.
smg762

From: smg762

16-Aug

ive seen a lot of lightweight AR15s on YT, some of which were 1.7kg. They used a fixed, thin-rod stock, and usually fiberglass or similar materials.

i'm trying to concieve of a weapon in 6ARC, with a weight of maybe 2.1kg.

would a rising chamber mechanism reduce weight, if so by how much....400grams?  

what about a rotating chamber, or a 'rammer' mechanism like the OTB-22

and lastly, how much weight does a typical M4-style stock create, are bullpups naturally lighter

smg762

From: smg762

22-Aug

how much did the M1 carbine weigh?

could you make an M1 in 556 and still keep this weight, while still being durable for millitary?

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farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

25-Aug

5-5 1/2 lbs. weight. Nice guns, but a slight weight penalty means you can use a .300 Black Out AR, for a lower-cost, more reliable, and accurate weapon.

Johnson developed the 5.7 Spitfire, .30 carbine necked down to .224. 40-grain bullet 2700-2800, just needed a different barrel. For an M1 carbineish 5.56 NATO rifle, you would pick a Ruger Mini-14. Slightly lighter than an M4A1, BUT doesn't use STANAG mags, and is more expensive than an AR.

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stancrist

From: stancrist

25-Aug

smg762 said:

how much did the M1 carbine weigh?

5.5 lbs.

smg762 said:

could you make an M1 in 556 and still keep this weight, while still being durable for millitary?

Possibly.  The Winchester LMR was essentially a slightly scaled-up M1 carbine, and reportedly weighed only 4.9 lbs.

farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

27-Aug

Thanks Stan, forgot about the LMR.

Now bring that back in .350 or .400 Legend, Winchester would sell me a deer rifle!

smg762

From: smg762

31-Aug

do you know if a CT approach would reduce rifle weight, for example a 6.5mm rifle weighing only 2.5kg

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farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

31-Aug

Current technology can already build that rifle. The issue is, who wants to? In order to hit that weight while maintaining reliability you need to use more expensive materials and production techniques. Then you'll have a rifle that will have controllability issues at speed. Some of your troops will shoot it almost as fast and accurately as a 5.45/5.56; but most won't. 

And CT weight loss mostly comes from reducing the weight of the ammunition carried, not so much the weapon it's fired in.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

4-Sep

At some point no material can substitute weight , for action to work reliably, for that you would need fundamental change to the action and ammunition , like casseless ammo

Other thing is at some point things also show in practical accuracy. I reckon with active FCS guns could be lighter and still shot with acceptable accuracy

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