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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 453362 views.
Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

11/11/21

I would be completely fine with a GD/TV Win, their entry+ammo is good, and if they can get that lightweight medium machine gun they're working on later than even better, However at this point all we have to go off is speculation about Textron, so I'll wait until they put out a press release or get back to SSD about whether they're in or not.

stancrist

From: stancrist

11/11/21

If the GD bullpup is a sure win, why would GD give up control, and the lion's share of profits?

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

11/11/21

stancrist said:

If the GD bullpup is a sure win, why would GD give up control, and the lion's share of profits?

They seem not very interested in Small Arms these days; the .338 LWMMG -  a concept they invented and popularized - is no longer on their website. 

As for why, no idea. Maybe small arms are just small fry given their pretty huge defense portfolio of other projects? 

  • Edited 11 November 2021 21:46  by  gatnerd
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

11/11/21

More SSD speculation from the comments:

 Vet:

"Textron is out. It was leaked by accident by LMT (which partnered with them on suppressors for NGSW) on a live Q&A a month ago, which was since removed from YouTube. The reference to “one of two teams remaining in the NGSW program” in the PR release above further confirms it.."

SSD:

"I spoke with Karl Lewis about it. He explained that he couldn’t discuss the matter. When I asked him about the video he said, “that video has been deleted and the person who uploaded it reprimanded.” I took that as a clue."

Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

11/11/21

Yeah I actually saw the video that he's talking about back then, I didn't think that much of it then, either way this is really not looking too good for Textron, I just have no idea why they or the army haven't put out a statement, we should have heard it from them first if indeed this is the case

stancrist

From: stancrist

11/11/21

gatnerd said:

They seem not very interested in Small Arms these days; the .338 LWMMG -  a concept they invented and popularized - is no longer on their website.  As for why, no idea. Maybe small arms are just small fry given their pretty huge defense portfolio of other projects? 

Maybe.  I could understand dropping the .338 LWMMG, as they're not selling.  But, a winning horse?  I mean, money is money.

Anyway, I don't know if it's seen by anyone else, but your quote of my post in Msg 1943 appears redacted.  Totally blacked out.

The same thing happened to your quote of Emeric's post in https://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages?msg=7952.6

Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

11/11/21

They haven't actually dropped it, they novated it, which means they've given up the rights temporarily, it will come back to them at some point in the future

stancrist

From: stancrist

11/11/21

nincomp said:

I don't really see the advantage of a case telescoped round for an infantry weapon when compared to TV's polymer cased one.  It would seem:

1)  that more polymer would be needed to enclose the bullet, increasing the rounds volume

2)  the case would be larger diameter (although shorter), making the magazines wider and the increased volume adds bulk

The dimensional difference between the two are not that great.

The 6.8 TVCM has the same diameter and length as 7.62 NATO.

The 6.8 CT has insignificant difference in diameter and length.

There's little difference in cartridge volume, magazine size/bulk.

stancrist

From: stancrist

11/11/21

Why do you think it is temporary?

Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

11/11/21

Because the Army and GD specifically used the word "Novated", which by definition is a temporary lease of patent rights to a lessee (in this case TV/LSFW)

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