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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 523123 views.
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

25/1/22

JPeelen said:

Three decades later, technology may offer other ways to try something new. But I stay with my opinion that at the time it was the right thing to at least try something really new to solve the hit probability problem in the expected cold war infantry scenario

I laud them for trying something new.

I personally think they should have tried something else new rather then the jump from G3 to G11. Especially for the envisioned 'fighting in a MOPP suit in a contaminated wasteland against hordes of advancing Commies' where life expectancy was supposed to be hours-days. 

Simply going from FAL to AUG proved a solid boost in firepower and hit probability for the Austrians, and was ready by 1977.

Creating a 'micro-42' scaled down MG42 in 5.56 (or 4.6x36) could have been another option for mowing down hordes of Reds.

Or rather than hyper burst, pursing controllable FA fire ala Ultimax, where controllability was achieved by eliminating bolt impact. 

There were a number of more likely to succeed design paths they could have pursued rather than the G11. 

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

25/1/22

stancrist said:

Looks like a very long (22-24") barrel

Yes I'm not sure what to make of that.

-The barrel length was simply a holdover from civilian 6.5C rifles

-The barrel length was chosen at random for the show

-The 6.8TV needs a long barrel

-The 6.8TV performs even more aweseome out of a long barrel

-Theres a contract for this specific configuration

?

stancrist

From: stancrist

25/1/22

gatnerd said:

Yes I'm not sure what to make of that.

I vote for your third option.  To get the advertised 135gr @ 3000 fps, 6.8TV needs a long barrel.

       Introducing the 6.8 TVC for MARS-H - Lewis Machine & Tool Company (lmtdefense.com)

RovingPedant

From: RovingPedant

25/1/22

I seem to recall that the concept for the TV round was that it ran at a lower pressure and used a longer barrel, hence the RM277 being a bullpup.

 

smg762

From: smg762

25/1/22

if you guys could design the perfect ACR for hit probability, what would it be like

stancrist

From: stancrist

25/1/22

Thanks.  I had intended to say something to that effect, but it slipped my mind.

A follow-up note:  Although the barrel looks unusually long in the pic that gatnerd posted, it may only be 20 inches, like the MARS-H 6.5 DMR

JPeelen

From: JPeelen

25/1/22

gatnerd said:

Simply going from FAL to AUG proved a solid boost in firepower and hit probability for the Austrians, and was ready by 1977.

Very true.

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

25/1/22

How did the 5.56 MG-42 work for Spain? I have read not well.

stancrist

From: stancrist

25/1/22

gatnerd said:

I personally think they should have tried something else new rather then the jump from G3 to G11.

They actually did try something else.  They went from G3 to G36.

EmericD

From: EmericD

25/1/22

Would depends on the context, but the goal of the ACR program was to "double" the hit probability versus the M16, and you can "double" Ph only if it's already below 50%.

For really increasing hit probability above 300 m, a FN FAL chambered for the .243 Winchester and using a 105 gr VLD bullet would have been a great improvement.

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