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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 522957 views.
Apsyda

From: Apsyda

3-Jul

Apsyda said:

https://www.gao.gov/docket/b-420766.1

https://www.gao.gov/docket/b-420766.2

Both GAO protests were withdrawn by TV via Lone Star. As expected they didn't go anywhere in the end.

I suppose that means that SIG really did at least fit the standards asked for by the Army, if not definitely being the best rifle. Shame the protests didn't go further on the off chance some interesting trials info could have been released.

Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

4-Jul

Well, time to commence the 3+ decade wait until we can FOIA the trial results to find out what really happened to the Textron entry, just like ACR before this

BruhMomento

From: BruhMomento

4-Jul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQnaTrLROCE

RAROG's plastic machine gun belts. useful for the future?

stancrist

From: stancrist

4-Jul

Ukraine's Plastic Machine Gun Belts -The Firearm Blog

Looks very useful for 7.62x54R, but it is a different link design than used with 7.62x51 and 6.8x51.

RovingPedant

From: RovingPedant

4-Jul

Pull-out rather than push-through does make more sense for plastic link. I’ve seen plastic M13 link but apparently it’s not as robust as the metal. Not really a surprise.

stancrist

From: stancrist

18-Jul

The US Army's new Belt fed Machine gun. The M250 is replacing the M249

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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

27-Jul

If your M14 flashbacks werent already in effect, I present: SIG working to develop a stamped steel magazine for the NGSW.

https://soldiersystems.net/2022/07/25/sig-sauer-develops-in-house-magazine-production-capability/

In the comments, Eric of SSD mentions that the 6.8 projectiles are being harsh on the Lancer mags, which may be a reason for this. Although how they would be worse than M855A1, or how relatively soft steel would be much better against Hardened steel / Tunsgten, is an open question.

A loaded M14 mag was 1.5-1.62lbs depending on source...

stancrist

From: stancrist

27-Jul

gatnerd said:

In the comments, Eric of SSD mentions that the 6.8 projectiles are being harsh on the Lancer mags, which may be a reason for this. Although how they would be worse than M855A1, or how relatively soft steel would be much better against Hardened steel / Tunsgten, is an open question.

Other possible reasons for SIG developing in-house magazine production:

- Eliminate reliance on Lancer.

- Increase SIG profits.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

28-Jul

Oh, those are absolute factors to bring manufacturing in-house, and are totally legit.

But, whats very odd here is the choice of steel for the in-house 6.8 mags.

-Polymer mags are much easier to mass manufacture and are cheaper to produce compared to steel mags (so higher profit margin for SIG)

-Polymer is much lighter and is what most modern rifle mags are made of

-Magpul Gen 3 mags have already shown a 100% polymer mag works well with EPR when designed for it

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