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US Army seeking a new light tank.   General Military Discussion

Started 19-Oct by Red7272; 3276 views.
17thfabn

From: 17thfabn

20-Oct

Seems the U.S. Army has its heart set on a 105 mm or better gun.

They have been talking about this since at least 2018. It doesn't seem to be a priority.

https://breakingdefense.com/2018/12/army-picks-bae-gd-for-mpf-light-tank-prototypes/

I think mortar armed vehicles are a no go. Light Infantry Battalions  already have these. Seems the Army is looking for something with some stand off distance for direct fire.

taschoene

From: taschoene

20-Oct

Less than two years from contract downselect (in December 2018) to prototype deliveries for trials (in October 2020) is pretty fast, really.  

17thfabn

From: 17thfabn

20-Oct

For the Defense two years is not bad.

It appears that  BAE's submission is based on the M8 mobile gun system they 1st tried to get a contract with the Army for in 1996. Of course the latest submission has been modernized.  Better electronics etc.

Refleks

From: Refleks

20-Oct

It's not that I don't know how procurement works.

I just don't think we can survive it much longer.

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

20-Oct

Lots of the folks we'd be fighting alongside have land borders with China. So an easier to deploy tank wouldn't be a bad idea.

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

20-Oct

Would the Bradley vibrate apart like the 105-armed Strykers did?

Red7272

From: Red7272

20-Oct

Farmplinker said:

Lots of the folks we'd be fighting alongside have land borders with China. So an easier to deploy tank wouldn't be a bad idea.

Not a tank and no one is fighting China any time soon. Same as Russia. Proxy wars will be it for ground combat for a while. A dedicated anti infantry vehicle would however be of use and very exportable. 

Red7272

From: Red7272

21-Oct

Refleks said:

I just don't think we can survive it much longer.

I used to describe peak capitalism as a baseball bat and a balaclava behind the most expensive hotel in town. But I think military procurement has that beat. Far more money for far less effort.

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

21-Oct

I just cannot figure out a credible and probable scenario of "peer confrontation". Even if miraculously nuclear umbrella is avoided somehow, anyways there are not a clear place in earth in which such confrontation would happen.

Proxy wars have happened since the 1950's. I would be for new ones, although with plenty of unmanned resources, and also confrontations with no state actors

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

22-Oct

poliorcetes said:

I just cannot figure out a credible and probable scenario of "peer confrontation". Even if miraculously nuclear umbrella is avoided somehow, anyways there are not a clear place in earth in which such confrontation would happen.

A naval war between the US and China is frighteningly credible, and growing more probable. 

There's also little risk of a naval war going nuclear, as neither side is facing invasion or really even much conventional strike of the homeland. 

As such, nuclear deterrence doesn't really work there. 

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