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PDW again   Small Arms <20mm

Started 20/12/20 by DavidPawley; 40663 views.
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

20/12/20

I found a larger version of the picture, and edited the color contrast a bit:

From memory, my PS90 magazine is ~10-10.5" long. Assuming that this used the same PS90 magazine, that means the barrel for this is also arounf 10", with weapon overall length of 12-13".

So with a folding stock, this would be comparable in length to a B&T MP9, but with a 50rd mag and 10" barrel, yet remaining holsterable in a thigh holster. So very exciting. 

I'll get a better measurement of my PS90 mag later.

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Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

21/12/20

I just love the way KelTec can't take a straight line , always developing something very different than everyone else even though it sometimes doesn't quite work out.

Someone has to show that there is more to gun engineering than what are practically Ar15 or 1911's assembled with parts from Brownells catalogue which seems is what 90+% of US gun manufacturing looks like.

renatohm

From: renatohm

21/12/20

They're selling like hotcakes, why bother with something else?

stancrist

From: stancrist

21/12/20

gatnerd said:

From memory, my PS90 magazine is ~10-10.5" long. Assuming that this used the same PS90 magazine, that means the barrel for this is also arounf 10", with weapon overall length of 12-13".

So with a folding stock, this would be comparable in length to a B&T MP9, but with a 50rd mag and 10" barrel, yet remaining holsterable in a thigh holster. So very exciting.

A search shows P90 mag length = 10.6 inches.  By my estimate, that puts P50 overall length at a whopping 14 inches!

Which makes the P50 as long and tall as an MP7 sans flash suppressor and butt stock, but also as wide as a P90 SMG. 

Personally, I would rather have a PDW that's a lot shorter and slimmer, even if it means having less magazine capacity.

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

21/12/20

"Legend has it, that after drinking peyote, if you look into your mirror and say George Kellgren's name 3 times at 3:30AM, Kel-Tec will release a gun no one wanted until they made it."

That said, I will probably get an integrally suppressed Sub-2000 first.

graylion

From: graylion

25/12/20

Now this I like. I'd use a different cartridge (edit: 5.56x30 MARS specifically), but this is clever! I wonder about the system and the rate of fire.

Edit: RoF is an issue with this design I think because I assume that it is designed as a semi auto with no consideration for FA. So I'd guess at something like 1200 rpm. Taking it down to 700 or so would probably make the gun heavier? In a dream world I'd like balanced recoil, but that is probably greedy.

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graylion

From: graylion

28/12/20

Having a look at the gun, you have to flip it open to reload. I don't think I'd care to do that when in a stressful situation. This may well negate the advantage of the magazine capacity.

stancrist

From: stancrist

29/12/20

If you can't get the job done with 50 rounds, what makes you think that you'll live long enough to do a reload?   ;^)

graylion

From: graylion

29/12/20

I'm alone and fighting off a company and there is more enemies than I have bullets

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