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PDW again   Small Arms <20mm

Started 20/12/20 by DavidPawley; 40609 views.
17thfabn

From: 17thfabn

29/12/20

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

16:25

Only 12% or so percent of soldiers are serving in infantry roles so for 88% rifle is a cumbersome paperweight for what-if situation and they don't really know how to use it well.

PDW if it ever succeded would be a mayor firearms program far outweighing the demand for assault rifles, but it seems everyone is content with issuing carbines and pistols.

Many of the 88% that aren't infantry are artillery, combat engineers, and other types that are in the field and are vehicle borne. For them carrying a M4 or other such carbine is fairly easy. 

They would get the same amount of trigger time with a PDW as they would with a M4 or other carbine. 

With what ever amount of training time is allotted a soldier is going to be more effective with a carbine than a small PDW. If your troops can carry a carbine instead of a PDW they should.

For crews that can't carry a normal size carbine most would be able to carry a short barrel carbine.

For the few troops that can't carry a short barrel carbine an off the shelf PDW might be the answer. 

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

29/12/20

If they can't carry a suppressor-equipped carbine, they need to be required to train on the pistol they carry, rather than a more expensive PDW.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

30/12/20

Yes lol, which is why we have reports of muh thick clothing stopping 30 carbine In korea

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Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

31/12/20

Outside of purely military realm of PDWs , it seems KelTec is aimed at prepper /survival gun market, with all the corona shitshow (at the courrent vacination rates 5+years to get anywhere close to 80% population immunity), ever more autotarian rule i imagine guns are in for record sales in coming years.

I will likely be doing a a bit of 3d work on some new survival gun concepts both short and long barrel in the coming months after i finish up manufacturing my two current rifle designs 

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

31/12/20

Can't wait to see them!

Red7272

From: Red7272

31/12/20

stancrist said:

A search shows P90 mag length = 10.6 inches.  By my estimate, that puts P50 overall length at a whopping 14 inches!

Plus there is an entire magazine between the bore and the line of the pistol in the hand. It's going to climb more than any other gun in that calibre ever. It's really a case for one of those angled grips stuck to the rear of the gun more than a conventional pistol grip beneath the gun. 

graylion

From: graylion

1/1/21

Red7272 said:

stancrist said: A search shows P90 mag length = 10.6 inches.  By my estimate, that puts P50 overall length at a whopping 14 inches! Plus there is an entire magazine between the bore and the line of the pistol in the hand. It's going to climb more than any other gun in that calibre ever. It's really a case for one of those angled grips stuck to the rear of the gun more than a conventional pistol grip beneath the gun. 

I don't understand why they are doing that. I'd put it on top like in the P90. This should also enable faster mag changes.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

1/1/21

"I don't understand why they are doing that. I'd put it on top like in the P90. This should also enable faster mag changes"

The Keltec system has the barrel above the magazine, which results in a much lower height over bore for optics. 

The P90 height over bore is pretty brutal, as it both has the magazine, and then also has to have enough room for the magazine to easily enter.

This would also make for a shorter height weapon, making it less bulky to have in a thigh holster. 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2/1/21

Totaly unacceptable unless you are selling next-gen squad optics then you can mount the sight 3x as high as needed

Snap from a video

smg762

From: smg762

2/1/21

That's another reason to use an MP7 style weapon.  As well as being far slimmer than the keltec,  you could create a custom optic which is mounted extremely low. 

The stock would need to be angled downwards when in use.... like the b&t use. 

Thus your optic would be no taller than a pistol red dot

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