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Hybrid Red Dot / Thermal optics by Thales and Meprolight   Small Arms <20mm

Started 1/11/21 by gatnerd; 1674 views.
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

1/11/21

Probably, but also highlights the lack of understanding that FCS is the single most important upgrade to handheld firearms in modern times, new calibers, cases firearms are unimportant sideshows in comparison .

NGSW optics as they are are already obsolete and i am not seeing much competition to make it better, Chinese OEM manufacturers from what i can follow have a host of such optics for the commercial market under development i would expect OEM optics on the market in 2022-2025 under various US brands that like Vortex mostly sell Chinese developed and made optics.

renatohm

From: renatohm

1/11/21

Yes, but you need a decent hardware to process it.

Software recognition of boundaries (faces, for example) also have many civilian uses, which also help developing such capabilities for the military.

This is an interesting trend - up to the end of the Cold War it was the military that pushed the limits of what was possible, but the consumer market has taken over the lead for quite a while now.

renatohm

From: renatohm

1/11/21

And the civilian VR / AR markets are both throwing big money in both domains.

Again - the military aren't the ones driving technology advancements in several areas anymore.

nincomp

From: nincomp

1/11/21

Gee, now that you've compared these to I Phone's, I am getting worried. Artificial Intelligence will be used.   Interconnectivity will soon follow.  Before long these optics will use up all their processing power and bandwidth sending "barrel pics" to each other!

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2/11/21

renatohm said:

This is an interesting trend - up to the end of the Cold War it was the military that pushed the limits of what was possible, but the consumer market has taken over the lead for quite a while now.

This was one of the main parts of 'Swarm Troopers,' which is about how small drones will continue to evolve and really shape the battlefield (specifically at the infantry level rather then like shock and awe level.) Essentially, the author argued that because modern cellphones are getting far more r&d money then most military systems, they will outpace most military systems for general use compact sensors and optics and microcomputing. And that these advanced, compact sensors and systems make it easier and easier to create very capable little drones. And worse, that the bulk of the smartphone production and compact drone production is in China, allowing China to fuse these two manufacturing bases and create swarms of very nast, smart little drones. 

Along those lines, the Navy found that the best controllers for its submarines were actually just Xbox controllers. Which seems silly at firts until you realize that Microsft and Sony spend more on handheld controller r&d then anyone.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16333376/us-navy-military-xbox-360-controller

And then of course theres these blast from the past circa 2009 - just 11 years ago. No doubt if this had ever been fielded, it would be lapped in capability by a $50 bottom end smartphone today. 

Or this 23oz model from 2009...

https://techcrunch.com/2009/03/12/military-wrist-computer-takes-over-your-forearm/

https://www.popsci.com/gear-amp-gadgets/article/2009-06/ultimate-wristwatch/

My understanding is that multiple companies that were trying to build a wearable 'wrist computer' for the military concluded that they would a) not be able to meet th performance of a contemporary smarthphone and b) within a few years would be dramatically inferior to a basic smartphone. 

In terms of Optics, the latest Iphone 13 Pro has a real 3x optical zoom + 15x digital zoom, allowing it to potentially serve as a medium-long range optic, as well as a super wide lens that would allow for a maximum field of view CQB sight. 

Already there is work to turn the Iphone into a rifle optic, which while crude now shows promise

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/11/inteliscope-gun-mounted-smartphone-sighting-system/

Now we imagine what an Iphones camera and sensors could do in another 10 years, and then imagine those off the shelf sensors and optics being repackaged into a proper weapon optic...

  • Edited 02 November 2021 4:06  by  gatnerd
poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

2/11/21

And with proper industrial sensors (thermal, lowlight, etc), a reddot would be a backup, while sensor data would be projected to IVAS or a similar but simple visor. Software is already more than capable of overlapping visual sources captured from a limited vision cone on to a synthetic display

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

3/11/21

The display technology is really the biggest hangup at this point unfortunately.

There's lots of stuff we can do well In other forms that's held back by this.

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

3/11/21

we'll have to wait until IVAS either develops or crash. I liked what I readed about it, because it looked like a well feedbacked program. But it is really ambitious, so who knows...

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

3/11/21

poliorcetes said:

we'll have to wait until IVAS either develops or crash.

Program is currently 'paused;'

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42739/army-halts-widely-hyped-multi-billion-dollar-advanced-augmented-reality-goggle-program

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

3/11/21

There are more information about last developments. It seems to be delayed and I do want to believe that they are reactioning to an excess of optimism in their deadlines. 

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