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Sweden & Finland look to 7.62x51 as primary infantry rifle    Small Arms <20mm

Started 10/11/21 by gatnerd; 9341 views.
stancrist

From: stancrist

14-Jan

gatnerd said:

A first glimpse of SAKO's AR10 design, the M23

Interesting.  A sniper rifle with a 16-inch barrel.  Why so short?

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stancrist

From: stancrist

14-Jan

If Finland and Sweden adopt a M23 variant for infantry riflemen, what will be their choice for SAW?

Sweden could continue to use the KSP 58, but it seems illogical for Finland to keep using the PKM.

mpopenker

From: mpopenker

14-Jan

stancrist said:

Interesting. A sniper rifle with a 16-inch barrel. Why so short?

it's a DMR. 16" is enough for 600-800 meters, and rifle is compact enough for typical Finnish landscape and proposed mode of operations (urban or woods; no chance of effective fighting in open)

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Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

14-Jan

There are two versions one as semiautomatic sniper rifle and one as DMR rifle no mention if they are the same rifle just different optic . DMRs these days seem to be gravitating to 16in

Semi-automatic Sniper Rifle 23 is equipped with a high-quality optical sight that together with precision ammunition enables snipers to achieve effects in different targets up to a distance of 800 metres.

Designated Marksman Rifle 23 is more simplified in its weapon-mounted equipment, and designed for use by jaeger and infantry sections designated marksmen. This weapon increases the sections range up to 600 metres. 

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

14-Jan

There are 7.62 NATO PKMs now, probably use one of those.

smg762

From: smg762

16-Jan

762 has a very poor shape

stancrist

From: stancrist

31-Jan

I feel like it's deja vu all over again.  relaxed

gatnerd said:

A first glimpse of SAKO's AR10 design, the M23:

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

8-Feb

That's not actually true. 7.62 NATO is a damn decent cartridge so long as you're not idiots who insist on using the wrong rifling twist rate and the dumpy ass original m80 fmj round which was supposed to be nothing but a training round.

Once you deal with these two issues 7.62 NATO is actually a great round.

As an example, vintage m61 AP bullets are still incredibly dangerous to even people wearing modern body armor.

Granted there's a few things you could do to make an improved 7.62 NATO, all of which are likely to be readily accomplished by going to a neckless TV revised 7.62 loading. 

Beyond that though even with as somewhat suboptimal as the current 7.62 NATO is there's no doubt that m80a1 projectiles make it plenty damn good even as it already is.

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