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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24-Feb by gatnerd; 138495 views.
renatohm

From: renatohm

18-Apr

Didn't Russia confiscate cell phones from the outset of the 'special mlitary operation' due to OPSEC?

smg762

From: smg762

18-Apr

what would be the purpous....it wont defeat a IFV or similar vehicles....what would they target with this

taschoene

From: taschoene

18-Apr

smg762 said:

what would be the purpous....it wont defeat a IFV or similar vehicles....what would they target with this

(referring to a 14.5mm anti-material rifle)

THere are all sorts of lightly armored vehicles out there -- the Russian equivalents of armored HMMWVs or JLTVs.

Tigr: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigr_(Russian_military_vehicle)

Iveco LMV: https://www.rbth.com/defence/2016/01/25/russia-continues-to-buy-iveco-lmv-armored-cars-from-italy_562027

And I wouldn't rule out these being effective against BTRs or even side armor of BMDs and BMPs. 

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

18-Apr

smg762 said:

what would be the purpous....it wont defeat a IFV or similar vehicles....what would they target with this

Besides that 14.5 AP can penetrate Soviet era AFV including IFVs the rifle is most likely for long range anti field fortifications and position and anti personal work.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

18-Apr

taschoene said:

And I wouldn't rule out these being effective against BTRs or even side armor of BMDs and BMPs.

14,5 mm is.
A BMP might shrug off a few hits over the frontal arc but against flanking shots and well aimed shots against weak areas the old Soviet IFV and APC are vulnurable.
To be really protected against 14,5 it requires STANAG 4569 level K4 which is pretty substancial. Few pre '90 AFV have this protection level or better all round and everywhere.

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

18-Apr

Supply trucks. Helicopters on the ground. Ammo and fuel depots. Lots of soft targets that take a bigger than average cartridge to damage/destroy at longer ranges.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

18-Apr

smg762 said:

what would be the purpous....it wont defeat a IFV or similar vehicles....what would they target with this

Basically everything else; much of Ukraines tactics have been focusing on destroying of degrading long supply convoys of fuel trucks, artillery, and air defense vehicles. All of which could be targeted with a 14.5. A sniper could hide within ~1k of the a major road, and discretely damage / destroy high priority vehicles. 

Frankly this conflict may launch a resurgence in interest in the Anti Material rifle for defensive military use. 

In addition to Anti Material, a shocking  number of Russian Generals and officers have been killed, including at least one that was killed by a sniper at long range. Rumor is this kill was from 1.5km - emphasis on Rumor.

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/03/04/ukrainian-sniper-russian-general/

https://archive.ph/7wSUC

  • Edited 18 April 2022 20:15  by  gatnerd
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

18-Apr

A rare video indeed: UA Tank killing a RU BMP in urban combat; one of the few tank videos of the war. Its a fantastic shot, taken through a blown up building.

Azov employing hand grenades in urban combat at the end of the video; another rare scene as you dont see that many hand grenade fights. 

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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

18-Apr

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