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FSV gun   Army Guns 20+mm

Started 8-May by graylion; 1381 views.
roguetechie

From: roguetechie

12-May

Yes, the concept would have to be reworked fairly heavily for sure, and I agree on the rockets though with apkws dagir and ultra high velocity guided 70mm rockets all being a thing they might still be useful.

One of the things I like provisionally about the idea of dusting RDF LT off Is that while it's original version was fairly lightly armored etc it was built in an era where electronics and several other things were huge and inefficient compared to now.

What this gives you is lots more space inside once you switch out all the legacy stuff to MOTS or near MOTS modern substitutes which will weigh less and take up less space. 

Chances are you'd use half that space and weight to add additional capabilities you'd want in a modern version, and half on additional protection. Combined with stripping out legacy protection and materials to use better more efficient modern equivalents etc and you have something that's now got enough room and base layer protection to run ARAT2 ERA tiled and an APS with shockingly little fuss.

Or

You take the 90mm version of the ares autocannon, build a chassis on Bradley automotives etc shoot for 30-35 tons and wind up with a pocket medium that's stanag 6+ frontally holds 3 guys has an APS and era and can run with mbt's to provide heavy armored SHORAD etc on the move.

Both options are possible and with the right teams involved could be done quickly with a minimum of fuss and expense.

Either would provide you with a shockingly good vehicle relatively simply and quickly.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

12-May

The other nice thing about rdf LT was it's gun was capable of 80 degree elevation out of the box

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roguetechie

From: roguetechie

12-May

Oh one other very key thing I forgot to mention about the rdf LT and it's gun and ammunition that makes it a good potential candidate.

The production tooling for the gun ammo and feed system still exist, still have production employees trained on making them, and the production line is still in low rate production at this time.

Unlike many other also ran ideas people talk about resurrecting, this actually puts RDF LT 2.0 closer to within reach than other things being proposed. It's genuinely something you could do.

taschoene

From: taschoene

12-May

roguetechie said:

The production tooling for the gun ammo and feed system still exist, still have production employees trained on making them, and the production line is still in low rate production at this time.

Really?  The last part of this seems incredibly unlikely.  I mean, I supposed Ares could have kept the gun and ammo line open for 30 years just in case, but it seems incredibly unlikely.  Nothing on their website suggests this is true.  Source?

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

12-May

The ares line is still open and producing low rate guns and ammo for both CT programs, the RAVEN gun program which is using modified ares comvat  autocannons as the test bed, and yeah it surprised me too but this is in fact true.

From what I've been able to gather ares Is at least partially owned by reed knight and was even doing ammo for Textron.

There's mentions of this in multiple dtic presentations we've discussed on this board.

Bottom line is that the facility still exists, is still staffed, and still has it's production lines intact which would be of great benefit.

graylion

From: graylion

12-May

Well, what seems to be being built is the Griffin II

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