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Started 11/13/17 by bogert53; 1395 views.

From: timpat3


great question!


From: phillyphils


THIS is the question for me as well.  I almost pulled the trigger on this game, but the one thing that prevented me from doing so was the chart flipping.  I didn't know there were FACs...


From: JoeRunde


Even with dice, the number of times you need to flip are pretty limited. The base advancement is on one side of one chart, and the error/range plays are on the back of the rule book. So rare plays, bunts and steals send me into the book, and I quickly (three or four games) memorized the steal process.

Windsor Greg (thomvan)

From: Windsor Greg (thomvan)


Usually flipping one FAC will give you a very random number, 11 #'s x 180 cards = 1980 numbers in a deck, and each deck has a different set of random numbers.  Also the type of out or hit placement with all base situations for that out or hit are there.  and the defense charts are there too.  So usually you flip one card per batter and that's it.  You need to look up the 54 Chart on average once a game.  If you H&R or SAC you may have to look those up, but they're easy to memorize if you do them a lot.  All in all, the chart lookups are very very very limited.

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Brett (kingnthg)

From: Brett (kingnthg)


I have played about 20 games into my 1986 replay, and this is what I have observed so far.

There are 4 chart pages that I use most often:

1.  The "Quick Out Chart" and the Quick Hits Chart" which I printed double sided (I also have the IN-S/H/F wrote in at the bottom of the OUTS chart)

2.  Defense Chart/Exotic Error chart, printed double sided

3.  54 Wild plays charts, again printed double sided

4.  The Sac-bunt/H&R charts, which I have printed double sided with the Bases Empty OUT Chart, which I never use.

Occaisionally I have to reference one of the other OUT charts - either for translation of the play on the Quick Out Chart, or play numbers 11 or 20 with runners on other than just 1st.

Most of the time the game moves right along - especially when you get the outs pattern memorized - like any other game, really.  E.g., if the play is an OUT, and the D20 reads 4 or 14 - grounder to second. Next batter please.  If there are runners on, quickly consult the Quick OUT chart and see what happens, record and move on.


From: Canamcougars


That is a great summary Brett.  I too find you quickly get a feel for remembering results and don't find chart look ups onerous in this game.

I have not used the FAC's so can't comment on those.


Brett (kingnthg)

From: Brett (kingnthg)


Yeah, neither have I.  I do not see myself using them, I like the dice and the feel of the dice, etc.  "Old school", LOL.

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From: phillyphils


Are the FACs for sale?  I can't seem to locate them anywhere on the ASG site...


From: Ganguy


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From: curtalva


Using the FAC deck you provides you the roll number (I still use dice however), base-running advancement (no need for base-runner advancement charts), Fielding calls (eliminates need for 51,52,53 chart). So you can basically have the FAC deck and the player cards on your tabletop and you should only need to reference the 54 chart once or twice a game and bunting, hit & run as needed.