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From: srraglandJan-15 5:55 PM 
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Some time ago when asked for evidence I posted the claims of Baha’u’llah and the evidence that supports the claims of Baha’u’llah on this thread:

Questions for knowledgeable Bahai / followers of Baha'u'llah

Below is what Baha’u’llah wrote about the 'evidence' that establishes the truth of His claims. Baha’u’llah enjoined us to look at His own Self (His character), His Revelation (His mission and works, which can be seen in Baha'i history), and His words (His Writings).

“Say: The first and foremost testimony establishing His truth is His own Self. Next to this testimony is His Revelation. For whoso faileth to recognize either the one or the other He hath established the words He hath revealed as proof of His reality and truth. This is, verily, an evidence of His tender mercy unto men. He hath endowed every soul with the capacity to recognize the signs of God. How could He, otherwise, have fulfilled His testimony unto men, if ye be of them that ponder His Cause in their hearts. He will never deal unjustly with any one, neither will He task a soul beyond its power. He, verily, is the Compassionate, the All-Merciful.”

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 105-106

His own Self is who He was, His character (His qualities). That can be determined by reading about Him in books such as the following:  The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, Volumes 1-4

His Revelation is what He accomplished (His Mission on earth/ the history of His Cause)
That can be determined by reading about His mission in books such as the following:
God Passes By (1844-1944)
The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, Volumes 1-4, which cover the 40 years of His Mission, from 1853-1892.

The words He hath revealed is what He wrote can be found in books that are posted online: The Works of Bahá'u'lláh

Baha’u’llah did not consider the Bible prophecies or the predictions that He made that came to pass to be evidence that establishes the truth of His claims, but they are evidence to some people.

Baha'u'llah fulfilled the Bible prophecies that refer to the return of Christ and the promised Messiah. Those prophecies and how they were fulfilled are delineated in the following book: William Sears, Thief in the Night

Baha'u'llah also predicted many events that later came to pass.  Some of these predictions and how they came to pass are listed and delineated in this book: The Challenge of Baha'u'llah

 
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From: but you may call me (FLIPPERWALDT) DelphiPlus Member IconJan-15 5:58 PM 
To: srragland  (2 of 203) 
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It's just boring.

 

 
From: srraglandJan-15 6:10 PM 
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It was not intended to be entertaining.

 

 
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From: Ishmael112Jan-15 7:38 PM 
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but you may call me (FLIPPERWALDT) said...

It's just boring.

I don't often disagree with you Flipper and I don't want to Tmake to fine a point of it but "boring" is not a valid criticism.  After all, many young people have struggled over a lot of studies they found boring.  I did and I suspect you did too.  That does not mean they were unimportant.  

Two things mentioned in the last link are algebra and Arabic numerals.  I cannot recall a single time I had to use a quadratic equation so solve any problem other than one in my algebra classes.  On the other had, I would be lost without Arabic numerals.  

 

 
From: JohnDoe947 DelphiPlus Member IconJan-15 8:03 PM 
To: srragland  (5 of 203) 
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total crap

 
 
 
 
JD

I would rather live a hard reality than a happy fantasy.

 

 
From: YoungGandalf DelphiPlus Member IconJan-16 1:02 AM 
To: srragland  (6 of 203) 
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Thanks

 

 
From: srraglandJan-16 2:26 AM 
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You're welcome.

 

 
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From: Ishmael112Jan-16 11:14 AM 
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JohnDoe947 said...

total crap

Are you sure about that, John?

 

 
From: YoungGandalf DelphiPlus Member IconJan-16 11:29 AM 
To: Ishmael112  (9 of 203) 
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Of course one us sure about that. It is not making sense from a to z. Essentially the evidence is that a guy said “I have heard from god”.

 

  • Edited January 16, 2022 12:22 pm  by  YoungGandalf
 

 
From: Ishmael112Jan-16 1:00 PM 
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YoungGandalf said...

Of course one us sure about that. It is not making sense from a to z. Essentially the evidence is that a guy said “I have heard from god”.

In your "a to z" analysis Gary Matthews in The Challenge of Baha'u'llah offers this step: 

Just the same, we can recognize these facts and still agree with Bertrand Russell: 'What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite. ' 

I have never before heard anyone say Bertrand Russell has "heard from God" as you suggest. 

 

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