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Kentucky Derby 2021 DogsUp Diary   Triple Crown

Started 2/28/21 by DogsUp; 46223 views.
In reply toRe: msg 398
DogsUp

From: DogsUp

Jun-25

When you lose your head...your ass goes with it.

Bob Tales...

Major horse players are litigating Churchill (obviously have proof of losing tickets with 2nd place finisher). Yeah for compensation. And Baffert as well. Excused owner in law suit - he didn't 'knew or should have known.' Compensated trainer and paid entry for services.

Churchill also just lost case for digital historic horse racing slot machines under their domain. Millions payback. Wonder how they distribute the award? 'Baffling how a track and the Commonwealth of Kentucky could 'Go baby Go' approval of the historic racing gambling system, legally approved,  then pull up after the finish line. Nobody checked the checker.

Jockey Club will weigh in to the court on Baffert's suit against NYRA 2 yr suspension. Amicus.

Baffert should have fallen on his sword, bowed his head and worked his way to a finding of unintential, not deliberate administration. Then seek hearings with tracks, other stake holders say, for forgiveness. Arbitration, mediation. He didn't bow his head. Now they have to chop it off.

In all 50 states with racing, Official means pay winners. Immediately. Or by end of March of the following year, then that money is turned over to the State coffers. That's the game rules in State large print.

Horse racing is a cash game. And I don't mean Johnny.

Think the precedent case of Maximum Security DQ in a Derby, as well as other similar , will stifle the players' suit.

  • Edited June 25, 2021 12:37 pm  by  DogsUp
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DogsUp

From: DogsUp

Jul-25

Contaminated blood sample not refrigerated, lab utensils unkept may mitigate Baffert conundrum outcome.

Can't determine ointment was unintentionally administrated.

And, IMHO Churchill wants this outcome. 

Add 2 parts attorney for Baffert ala due process. Inconclusive. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/8025133002&ved=2ahUKEwjVkovxpv_xAhWLMd8KHa92CWUQFjAAegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw16mvaU9E7r3lvm3hzMRe4M&ampcf=1

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DogsUp

From: DogsUp

Jul-25

Whether the evidence is mishandled or never submitted, that evidence is then lost and inadmissible to courts for further testing. Once the evidence is contaminated or kept hidden, there is no bringing it back to be used.

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DogsUp

From: DogsUp

Jul-25

"My Old Kentucky Moan"

About Derby Trophy presentations - 3

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Derby_Trophy

In reply toRe: msg 402
DogsUp

From: DogsUp

Jul-27

My Old Kentucky Moan....

Kentucky Horse Commission has now lost control of authoritative input into the Derby adjudication matter as 2nd split sample for Due Process got soured. Some how?

External Kentucky court will have to null the evidence.

If the sample spoiled.. the ointment

You must acquit

Oh the sun shines bright on my Old Kentucky Moan...

Oldbettowin

From: Oldbettowin

Jul-27

Why would they acquit?  The sample was in the custody of Baffert’s people.

DogsUp

From: DogsUp

Jul-27

The jurisdiction of post racing drug testing is in the perview of the Kentucky Racing Commission. The  KRC is a function of administration racing laws under the Commonwealth; not the race track/Churchill Dwns.

It perhaps is the same in most states; as it is in New York - NYRA circuit. NY is at a cost of about $5 million annually. Testing.

The purpose of the split sample/due process had become contaminated. To protect both parties and stake holders at large racing for purse share.

Accordingly this contamination now rest on the Kentucky Racing Commission. They oversee the lab and pay the lab as a vendor.

Insubmissable evidence now.

Second sample could not provide due process. The reason there is a split sample to begin with.

The plaintiff / Kentucky Race Commission has caused/an action to the defense's due process (2nd sample testing voided) evidence to be inadmissible.

Oldbettowin

From: Oldbettowin

Jul-28

Don’t you wonder just a little bit how much the head of the NY lab got for destroying the rest of the sample lol?  

pianot

From: pianot

Jul-28

Probably enough to make it happen. Suspect 200k or brtter.

  • Edited July 28, 2021 7:59 pm  by  pianot
DogsUp

From: DogsUp

Jul-28

When I tutored under a local bookie and great friend in cases like this, and when there is gambling/bets: Steve would say-

'When there's a lot of money on the table; strange things happen.

Evidence not secured legally-no search warrant or probable cause, tampered intentially/unintentionally a judge usually dismisses on lack of , no or illgained evidence.

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