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Triple Crown Series   Triple Crown

Started Apr-18 by smartyslew; 24030 views.
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-4

Thank you very much Dogs, that means a lot !

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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-4

How message 6 did in the Derby

Medina Spirit is the 2nd derby winner with a Nor Dancer/  Turn-to nick,  Charismatic is the Other.

He didn't Qualify for a Conduit , now he does Family 2n Donneta Classification   IS,  same as Sea Bird (S) chef, Langfuhr

others from that family  Point Given, Key to the Mint, and others.

Bred for 10f .

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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-4

How Message 54 did.

There was no Ran/Mr P sire lines in the top 5..

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Medina Spirit has 2 lines of La Troienne in a passing position
He's Loaded with all 4 Large Heart sires in A passing Position
he has both first crop Sire and Dam that' been positive the last few years

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La Troienne and Princequillo
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Known Agenda, Like The King ,Essential Quality-4th
Hot Rod Charlie-3rd,Rock Your World, Medina Spirit-bp -1st
Highly Motivated-bp, Soup And Sandwich-bp
Dynamic One-bp,, Sainthood-bp, Hidden Stash,
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Ran Sire line
Rock Your World, Known Agenda
Like the King, Helium-lat, King Fury
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Ran/Nor Dan
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-5

First 5 2021 Kentucky Derby  finishers with their CMP Furlong distance  listed
With the Corrected Cmp numbers. 
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1st Medina Spirit 8-4-3-7-9  Speed/Stamina index 12/16 =.82,  triads =15-14-19
 CMP furlong distance = 12.8 furlongs 
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2nd Mandaloun 3-9-3-9-5, S/S index 12/14 =.82,  triads 15/21/17
CMP furlong distance 12.6 furlongs
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3rd Hot Rod CH. 10-1-6-10-3  S/S, 11/13 =1.23,  triads 17/17/19
Cmp furlong Distance 11.16 furlongs 
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4th Essential Qu.  13-3-1-2-13 S/S, 16/15 =1.03  triads 17/6/16
CMP furlong Distance 12.15 furlongs
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5th Obesos   7-3-4-5-11 S/S 10/16= .68  triads 14/12/20
CMP furlong Distance 13.67 furlongs
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I forgot This Projected BMSire was struck by Lightning, its a shame.
Brilliant Speed BMSire of Medina Spirit!
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Entered stud in 2013 at Three Chimneys Farm, Kentucky.
Killed by a lightning strike in his paddock on July 13, 2016.
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-7

track variant last prep before the derby with the winners number
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Florida Derby -Ave          12 Known Agenda    10 2 faster than Variant
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Jr steaks turfway AW   5  (thats fast) like the king -2 slower
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Wood Memorial       24 slow     Bourbonic 25    1 slower than Variant
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Louisiana Derby      2        very fast new track record, Hot Rod Charlie 107 + 9
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Santa Anita            11 ave.   Rock Your World  11 ran the variant
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Tampa Bay Derby    3 fast  Helium 8,  5 slower than variant
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Blue Grass  fast        9    Essential Quality  3    +6 faster 
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Arkansas Derby    15 slow     Super Stock 15    -
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Louisiana  Derby  fastest track of the preps with a good field
(First 3 +9,+7,+7    Made Mandaloun look bad  -5,  3  slower than variant
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Tampa fast track 3   
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Blue Grass was fast  9 (91)  Aw track was fast
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Santa Anita Derby  11 variant(89)  That's not a fast Track  for S A
I don't know if they had a Bias that day.
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-8

The Peter Pan is a Joke Overtook Needs a trainer that will give him more attention.

Pletcher , Ugh  should be the best in thyis group.

princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

May-8

A joke indeed!  1:13.20 for the 6f?!?  15 lengths slower than the claiming race in the 1st!?!  I can't imagine any of these being competitive in the Belmont

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-8

I put that up before the race, I was glancing at the PP's, saw only 5 were running. that's a joke

Peeked at the Pedigrees looked at Overtook the Millionaire owned by Coolmore and the Vitamin water guy

He's a Blueblood cull or somebody else besides Pletcher should train him.

That 6f time was faster than I thought it was.

horseman1985

From: horseman1985

May-9

totall agree. this work is amazing!

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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-9

The number of key Tail female families within 5 generations in Derby Winners.

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Derby Winners Key tf families in 5 gen Pedigree Chart.
first number after Sire/ Bms is The TF family for the horse always
6 positions in the chart, If more than 6 listed is positive that means 
there is more influence in 5 gen. like Country House 11 lines of 9f
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, the second number is the Sires tf Family always 5 in that line, if  more than 5 is a good sign for influence
like Authentic sires line has 23b with 7,he picked up 2 more somewhere else.
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The 3rd number is the BMsires line, always 4 lines like Authentic's Bm Sire 22b only 4 listed 
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Other numbers are female lines with 4 or more in 5 generations like
Justify 6 lines of 2 f with a rf(Powerful),he has more good stuff,
5 lines of 8c, 4 13c, 4 8f,. Justify's pedigree is powerful within .
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Back to  Country House his 11 family 9f is both  his sire line and tail female line,positive
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Look for higher numbers for the Tff (6), Tff for the sire (5) and Tff for the Bm sire line(4.)
outside those 3 numbers I look for high numbers from 13c, 1 x, 23b, 2f, any family 8
is support for Classic Distance within the pedigree. 
In the 21st Century.
In the 1990's Many of your G1 runners had lots of family 9c within 5 generations, 
Nasrullah, Mahmoud, Royal Charger ,Tudor Minstrel, Alydar, War Eagle, They are further back now Sires.
its the strong Dams taking up more positions in a 5 gen. pedigree married to sires of other families
Crucial tff Taken within 5 generations
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