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Triple Crown Series   Triple Crown

Started 4/18/21 by smartyslew; 25022 views.
In reply toRe: msg 1
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/18/21

2021 Derby Prep splits , Derby Leader Board
1/4-----1/2------3/4----8f----final
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Bourbonic-real slow track-1st by a hd,  bsf 89-Wood

26.55, 25.85. 24.20, 24.76, 13.13- 1/8th, last 3f 37.89
26.55, 52.40,76.60, 101.36 ,114.49,last Q 25.51
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Caddo River-2nd by 2 1/2  Arkansas Derby
22.62, 23.89, 24,74, 26.49, 1/8, 13.68,last 3f 40.17
22.62, 46.51,71.25, 97.74,111.42, last Q 26.93
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Dream Shake
22.72, 23.79, 24.63, 25.83, 13.50, Last 3f 39.33
22.72, 46.51,71.14, 96.97, 110.47,Last Q  25.42
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Dynamic One-2nd by hd, WOOD     bsf 89
25.58, 25.41,24.19, 25.58,13.75, last 3f 39.37
25.58, 50.99, 75.18, 100.76, 114.51,last Q 26.54
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Essential Quality-1st-by nk bsf 97  Blue Grass
24.03, 24.28, 23.97. 23.89, 12.43, last 3f 36.32
24.03, 48.31, 72.18, 96.07, 108.50, last Q 24.33
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Get Her Number
23.42,24.39, 24.24, 26.29,13.78, Last 3f 39.87
23.42,47.81,72.05,98.34,111.92 Last Q 26.93
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Helium 8.5f, 1st by 3/4  bsf 84,  Tb Derby g2
24.58, 23.08, 23.92, 25.51, 6.46   last Q 25.48, 31.97- 2.5 f
24.58, 46.66, 71.58, 97.09 103.55 last 1/8 12.83
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Highly Motivated- 2nd by a nk,  bsf 97  Blue Grass
23.83, 24.38, 23.87, 23.89, 12.54 Last 3f 36.43
23.83, 48.21, 72.08, 95.97, 108.51, last Q 24.49
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Hidden Stash
24.73, 24.10, 24,15,24.27, 13.20, last 3f 37.47
24.73, 48.83, 72.98, 97.25, 110.45, last Q 25.34
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Hot Rod Charlie 1 3/16-1st by 2  bsf 99  Louisiana Derby

23.11, 23.94, 24.21, 25.13, 18.68, (est 1/8 12.46) last 3 3/16 43.80
23.11, 47.05, 71.26, 96.39, 115.06, last Q, 24.97
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King Fury 8.5, Lexington
24.49, 23.28,24.03,25.32, 6.38, last 1/8  12.71 last 2.5 f 31.70
24.49,47.77,71.80, 97.12 , 103.50, Last Q 25.37
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Known Agenda 1st-by 2 3/4, bsf 94  Florida Derby
24.33, 24.00, 24.46,23.82, 12.85, last 3f 36.66
24.33, 48.33,72.79, 96.61, 109.45, last Q24.51
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Like The King (AW) 1st by 1  bsf 89  Jeff Ruby Steaks
24.14, 24.17, 24.04, 25.18, 12.69. last 3f 37.87
24.14, 48.31, 72.35, 97.53, 110.22, last Q 25.28 (aw)
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Mandaloun- 6th by 11 3/4(1 3/16) bsf 82  Louisiana Derby
4 wide on all turns , nothing left coming home
Suggest checking previous race. 6f time 71.46 ( lp 88 prev race)
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Medina Spirit- 2nd by 4 1/4,  bsf  99  Santa Anita Derby
22.73, 23.58, 25.09, 25.37, 13.25 last 3f  38.62
22.73, 46.31,71.40,96.77,110.02 last Q 25.94  
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Midnight Bourbon-2nd by 2(1 3/16) bsf 96   Louisiana derby
23.10, 24.04, 24.31, 25.03, 18.98, 12.66 1/8.  last 3 3/16 44.01
23.10, 47.14,71.45, 96.48, 115.46, last Q 25.24
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Obesos 9 3/16
23.80,24.64, 23.71,24.83, 18.38, 12.26 1/8, last 3 3/16  43.21
23.80, 48.44, 72.25,97.08, 115.46, last Q 24.59
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Rock Your World-1st by 4 1/4, bsf 100  Santa Anita Derby
22.42, 23.69, 24.53, 25.63, 12.90, last 3f 38.53
22.42, 46.11, 70.64, 96.27,  109.17  last Q 25.63
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Sainthood -2nd by 1 length  (AW)   bsf  84  Jeff Ruby
23.33,24.19,24.53,25.40,12.49, last 3f  38.37
23.33,47.52, 72.05, 97.93,110.42, Last Q 25.19
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Soup And Sandwich  2nd by 2 3/4          bsf 90 Florida Derby
23.53,24.20, 24.56, 24.62, 13.09, last 3f 37.71
23.53, 47.73,72.29, 96.91, 110.00, last Q 25.40
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Super Stock-1st by 2 1/2   bsf 92 Arkansas Derby
22.92, 24.00,24.73,26.10, 13.17 last 3f 39.27
22.92, 46.92, 71.65,97.75, 110.92 last Q26.22
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In reply toRe: msg 2
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/18/21

fastest final 1/8
O besos              12.26   9 3/16 f
Essential Q          12.43
H Rod Charlie      12.46    9 3/16 f
Highly Motivated  12.54
Midnight Bourbon 12.66    9 3/16
Helium                12.83
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Sainthood            12.49  (AW)
Like The King       12.69  (AW)
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fastest final Q time  25.40 or better
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Essential Quality  24.33
Highly  Motivated  24.49
Known Agenda      24.51 
O besos                24.59
Hot Rod Charley    24.97
Midnight Bourbon  25.24
Hidden Stash         25.34
King Fury               25,37
Soup And Sand     25.40
Rock Your World   25.63* doable 1st 6f 110.64
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Sainthood (AW)     25.19
Like The King(AW) 25.28
Northof64

From: Northof64

4/19/21

Thanks for sharing all your hard work Smarty. Hope it pays off for you in a big way!! North 

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/19/21

Thanks North, Your welcome , maybe it will help somebody, good Luck !   

Rock Your World-9f(P)Fapp./Fapp. DP = 3-4-8-1-0 (16) DI = 2.20   CD = 0.56 PPPP
Fapp/Nasrullah/Fapp/Storm Cat 4 gen sires P,N, 6 P
CMP 2-3-4-7-8   Speed = 5   Stamina = 15   Index = 0.41   Triads = 9-14-19
In reply toRe: msg 5
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/19/21

Derby Nicks Winners - Conduit winners
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Essential Quality    ----Essential Quality-4
Known Agenda ------- Rock Your World
Rock Your World-------Mandaloun
Medina Spirit----------Sainthood                               
Mandaloun----------- Hidden Stash-4
Helium--------------- Get Her Number 
Dynamic One-------  King Fury
Sainthood 
Hidden Stash
Dream Shake
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conduit 1x La troienne(BPT) 4 derby winners,4 preakness winners,2 Belmont winners
2 running in The Derby this year: Essential Quality and Hidden Stash.
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Reine de Course. Given her own Family: 1x.
Dam of 2 HOF, 6 Reine de Course
Damline is active through all 9 daughters, most prominently Big Hurry and Baby League
More than 800 SW and more than 30 Champions descend from her and counting
Died Jan 30, 1954, age 28 buried at Greentree Farm
Essential Quality 1x(BP), Tapit/Mr P DP = 5-12-14-1-0 (32) DI = 3.00   CD = 0.66,PPPP
Tapit/  Fappiano/  MrP /storm cat  4th gen Sires 8 P
CMP 12-3-2-2-12   Speed = 15   Stamina = 14   Index = 1.04   Triads = 17-7-16
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In reply toRe: msg 6
Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

4/19/21

Nice stats, smartyslew!

Question:   How does one estimate closely late pace figures for a horse like RYW when he was geared down. 
Is there a method by which to do that?

Because obviously I can't go with what my Brisnet PPs say.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/19/21

I use my eyeballs and look for a  replay to refresh my memory if I haven't noted it ,in this case I did note it i

even tho I'll never forget this ride. I noted also in his gallop out he was 20 lengths  ahead of anybody else, so many

little things for ones DD. I save some dd for myself, any data I put out, It's nice to get feed back, 

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/19/21

you said "Because obviously I can't go with what my Brisnet PPs say. "

I can't either, I do dd from the Race chart for the race. not from bris and note the tidbits from the chart

and then I watch the replay and look for highlighted notes from the chart and most of the time I don't

put that in public. My data is for others to look at and choose to either run with it or do more of their DD,

from it. I will do highlights from the charts on some data like bumped at start, etc after the draw with

a full field.

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

4/19/21

That's fine.  Understand. 

I wasn't addressing the question *directly* to you but thanks for sharing.........

I am/was wondering how other people do it.  How do you come up with a figure when there is none that fits into the "publishing" mode on PPs. 


It's like my comment about mud/slop.  People only look at races.  Horses who are stabled at tracks in barns where it rains cats n' dogs work and gallop in slop very frequently.  PPs don;t tell you that.  It's uber important, as is their breeding for such a task, even if they don't barn where there is a lot of rain. 

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/19/21

I'm sorry I thought you were talking about things like late pace and geared down not on the PP's, 

or similar like bumped at start, track bias, bumped at turn or 8 wide coming home,

The PP's are usually for once on the track. 

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