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Medina Spirit - Positive - Betamethasone   Triple Crown

Started 5/9/21 by SameSteve G; 21137 views.

From: Wintertrian


DogsUp said...

Mott went after due process in his case. Link below.

Mott doesn't isn't on his 6th drug positive in a year either. 

I fully support upgrading testing procedures to the most modern technologicial knowledge available to us. 

I suspect the USADA will help with that.   

It's not like I've never had a false-positive on a medical test, which my overall health DEPENDED on.   Which is why I get a 2nd test, and usually, a 2nd or 3rd opinion as well, and possibly a 3rd test with a different laboratory. 

I never suggested denying Baffert his due process.  He hurt himself by spinning tale after tale for each and every drug positive he's pulled, when he should have just kept his mouth shut and pursued the scientific route, step by step.  His Tall Tales, and the sheer number of positives he's pulled in a year's time,  were outside the realm of science and that is why he's been laughed at.     That is why I said he needs a good Hollywood script writer, or duct tape over his lips.   

He also has poor legal advisors because good ones would have told him to stop with the stories and changing them along the way.   Baffert's need to "shine" in the media, and his inability to turn down an interview standing at the rail while waxing on and on, like any typiclal Instagram-famous celebrity, is what sinks people like this.  Ego and Hubris.    Not even the Karashian girls would have used "cancel culture" as an excuse, let's face it. (after all isn't one of them pursuing a law degree?)   


From: DogsUp


Churchill wants a DQ. Business Necessity.

Baff /lawyers want sesame bun, bum testing deus ex machina conclusion.

Public wants to know if our enemies will strike their idols.


From: Wintertrian


DogsUp said...

Mott went after due process in his case. Link below.

Absolutely heroic.   I believe in due process.   At the time I did not know NYS denied horsemen a sample for testing independently.  



From: DogsUp


for All FYI

The cost to the State jurisdiction for drug testing/handling/administration, say like NY- NYRA circuit is nearly $5 million.


From: princeofdoc


Good for Mott!  He knows what his intentions were with his horses, and he apparently works closely with his vets.

Baffert, on the other hand, does not communicate clearly, has probably 5x the horses in his barn, lacks the intimate knowledge of what his vets are doing, and thus cannot speak to the public, or regulators, from a position of strength and understanding.

So he will not be competing at CD for a few years.  He will probably have his barn cut considerably.  Hopefully, that will help him going forward....hubris, success, etc. have created a possibly career-ending situation.  But I hope not.  I hope he can cut down his stable, perhaps to only the horses he and his wife own, be more on top of the treatment of his horses by a vet, and return to racing with a different approach.  He's clearly very talented.  It will be interesting to see how he adapts to everything.


From: DogsUp


This event is going to be tied-up for some time.

IMHO I don't think Baffert is going to do a soft shoe walk-back as you mentioned.

Baffert will take the media controversy to The Haskell and have a platform to speak of his side. Owner will throw some cash at it @ 60+% of $3 mil on the table. 1.86 mil-yon.

  • Edited June 9, 2021 3:25 pm  by  DogsUp

From: pianot


Agree 100%

In reply toRe: msg 168

From: DogsUp



The parties can split the sample,  they can't split the baby.

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Looks like judge can get sample to lab under the parties mutual agreement. Or he will decide.

If, OINTMENT is the source:

Then Baffert gets a public publicity pardon for not intentionally administering, if,  2nd test shows the parts per million of the ointment ingredients. This is easy stuff.

Yet, the Kdy/Kentucky racing rules are regardless of the way or means a Derby runner has entered and runs with an illegal drug substance/and tested positive; it is a disqualification offense.

 Yet, but for, he/Baffert knew or should have know his Derby entry's medical drug treatment profile. Prior to the race. And race day.

The should have know that bites Baffert in the rear quarters, where all this started by the way is: He has complete knowledge and experience in this instance of entering runners and winning in the Kentucky Derby. 

He knew....or should have known.

  • Edited June 11, 2021 2:44 pm  by  DogsUp
In reply toRe: msg 169

From: DogsUp


Time for last comment and move on. By the way; video YouTube. Fast forward dead sound.

There is precedent case. Not in favor of Medina Spirit situation.


So new test could clear Bob oversite. 

DQ statisfies everybody else.

Medina Spirit owner out $1.8 mil purse. Sues Bob. Liability insurance has to determine if Bob is/was indemnified in his actions; should it cover the scenario.

Or Medina Spirit's foals are running in annual Derbies while the courts are still hearing the case and the public is disheartened.

Bottom line in business. Gotta'

Check the checker.