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Medina Spirit - Positive - Betamethasone   Triple Crown

Started 5/9/21 by SameSteve G; 22444 views.

From: DogsUp


This event is going to be tied-up for some time.

IMHO I don't think Baffert is going to do a soft shoe walk-back as you mentioned.

Baffert will take the media controversy to The Haskell and have a platform to speak of his side. Owner will throw some cash at it @ 60+% of $3 mil on the table. 1.86 mil-yon.

  • Edited June 9, 2021 3:25 pm  by  DogsUp

From: pianot


Agree 100%

In reply toRe: msg 168

From: DogsUp



The parties can split the sample,  they can't split the baby.

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Looks like judge can get sample to lab under the parties mutual agreement. Or he will decide.

If, OINTMENT is the source:

Then Baffert gets a public publicity pardon for not intentionally administering, if,  2nd test shows the parts per million of the ointment ingredients. This is easy stuff.

Yet, the Kdy/Kentucky racing rules are regardless of the way or means a Derby runner has entered and runs with an illegal drug substance/and tested positive; it is a disqualification offense.

 Yet, but for, he/Baffert knew or should have know his Derby entry's medical drug treatment profile. Prior to the race. And race day.

The should have know that bites Baffert in the rear quarters, where all this started by the way is: He has complete knowledge and experience in this instance of entering runners and winning in the Kentucky Derby. 

He knew....or should have known.

  • Edited June 11, 2021 2:44 pm  by  DogsUp
In reply toRe: msg 169

From: DogsUp


Time for last comment and move on. By the way; video YouTube. Fast forward dead sound.

There is precedent case. Not in favor of Medina Spirit situation.


So new test could clear Bob oversite. 

DQ statisfies everybody else.

Medina Spirit owner out $1.8 mil purse. Sues Bob. Liability insurance has to determine if Bob is/was indemnified in his actions; should it cover the scenario.

Or Medina Spirit's foals are running in annual Derbies while the courts are still hearing the case and the public is disheartened.

Bottom line in business. Gotta'

Check the checker.


From: pianot


I suspect you nailed it as I believe it very well go this route. I suspect Baffman, north did ya get it, wants the full split used for the reason I've read that it gives no other test possible which I've read written by other folks. Can never go back once that is gone.


From: DogsUp


If they ever did screw up the 2nd sample, or it wasn't organic enough to sample; Baffman and owner would lean on not receiving due process. Legitimate rights of an accused. The reason why there is a split sample in the first place.

If they screw up the split. They must acquit. 

Accordingly, why there is so much purpose of transporting and care in the chain of custody.

A  substantial industry outcome in the making is where owners of the winning Derby colts in the last three years was DQed and lost out on the 1.8 million 1st place purse.

  • Edited June 12, 2021 12:57 am  by  DogsUp
In reply toRe: msg 172

From: TexSquared


All I can say is, if Richard Dutrow was suspended by Kentucky instead of New York he would still be training...   I suspect Baffert's legal team gets him out of this one.  It's looking that way already.

In reply toRe: msg 173

From: DogsUp


At best Baffert clears up the method of drug administration if 2nd test shows the ointment ingredients .

Churchill Downs; publicly stock traded. And so many stake holders to answer to as owners, trainers, trainers, betting public.

Precedent legal drug cases give C Downs the opportunity to clean break from this PR and sales- marketing Derby fiasco. With ointment documentation.

DQ Owner is most injured 


From: Wintertrian


SameSteve G said...

A more equitable distribution of equine talent will be good for the sport because the sport is much bigger than Beta Bob

Yes, nailed it.  

There's plenty of hard working barns who know how to train a horse, but their talents are eclipsed by super trainers who have 2, 3, and sometimes even 4 horses in one field.     

But this is what happens when the little guys to disappear (and they will if there's no way for them to win anything).