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2022 2-year-olds/2023 3-year-olds   Handicapping - HRN Horse-Races.Net

Started 7/2/21 by smartyslew; 352964 views.
Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

2/18/23

DogsUpWired said...

And agree, 'some may be doing not enough, soon enough...but the recipe to get in the Derby and at the Derby finish line is not a constant practice



How about just gate training your horse, you know, something that all racehorses have to learn.  Crupi is a chronically poor gate horse, people talked about it before the race.....and then he shows it again in the Risen Star.   Chronic.  There's no point continuing on the trail til you have your horse ready and able to do the most basic  and sundry things that even low level horses master. 

Just because best horses are given to super trainers (which is only reason WHY some of them became super trainers as they are starting out with priviledged breedings) doesn't mean they are great trainers..  That's all I want to see, a more level playing field. 

Let me ask you to make pasta primavera and you get the heavy cream fresh from the cow and real bacon.......and I have to use 9 month old powdered milk and soy protein fake bacon bits.........  Then you get chef of the year.  See how that works?

Ditto Jockeys.   i spent the day deligihtedly betting against Rosario  he does this all the time, he lost every race today except one and it was an utter chalk horse. 

Case in point:   Before the South West Stakes who had the highest record of wins of that race in the history books?  Bejarano. (he achieved that before he was stabled at oaklawn).   Now that he;s actually AT Oaklawn, riding day in and day out.....and is like 3rd in the jock ratings there, imagine my surprise when he gets tossed off the SW stakes horse for a "super rider".     Why?    See this is how it is.  The little guys have zero way to ever get to the top.   Should have kept Bejarano on.  But they didn't. 


Just like Hal Wiggins lost Rachel Alexandra, and Helen Pitts lost Curlin.  Those horses were already champions, like Summer Bird "took" Tm Ice to the TC.......and that's because nobody took  the horse away from him, despite that Tim Ice really wasn't a super trainer or even one of the best ones at his track.    THE HORSES DO IT. They are the ones who make or break you.   

Curlin was already conditioned the best he was ever going to be, from yearling to 3.....that's why he didn't set foot on a racetrack til he was 3.   Pitts didn't have him ready yet.  Rachel was already a fully capable horse.   That's why "the rich guy" bought them out from under them.  He knew.  
 

princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

2/18/23

As I re-watched all the two turn dirt races at FG today, it was clear that speed was not holding, and that the rail was super dead.  It made Sun Thunder's run even more impressive to me, coming through on the rail and holding.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/19/23

Has anybody seen the Derby Winner this year, I haven't and its almost March?
I think the field for the Risen Star are slow as a group, not much after 8f.
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Fairgrounds beyers 2/18/23 was it the track or slow 3 yr olds
3 yr olds winners dirt
Bishops Bay FG 18 Feb 6F 97
First Mission FG 18 Feb 6F 96
Denington FG 18 Feb 1 1/16M 91
Angel of Empire  Beyer: 87 Time: 1:51.47

Pretty MischievousBeyer: 83 Time: 1:45.15


other 3 yr olds 2/18/23 other tracks
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Asmodeus AQU 18 Feb 1M 93
Register AQU 18 Feb 1M
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RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

2/19/23

I need to see Forte. Hopefully he will look better than Hoosier Philly.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/19/23

Equibase Speed Numbers for the Risen Star entrants Plus Previous 2 races see how Lasix did
Risen Star listed first , then Previous races . Don't tell me Lasix doesn't give more than a boost
To me this is a red flag for possible masking Agent Lasix masking illegal drugs.
14,17,21 point jump in numbers is a little much. Anybody Agree ?  L= Lasix race
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Angel Of Empire         96         92  1st 80 L +14  66-6th  Cox
Sun Thunder              94         92  1st6 83 L +4   79
Two Phils                   92         95      93   Lasix  free
Tapits Conquest          91        98 L+14             84        Cox       
Single Ruler               88     1st 92 L +17   75
Harlocap                    82    1st 97L +14    83L 2nd
Crupi                         81        99L +8      91+21        70    Pletcher
Curly Jack                  80        81            87 Lasix Free
Victory inFormation    73        97            98    COX  Undefeated Pre Race; L Free ;Cox will add L non Pt race 
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 next didn't belong waste of time
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Shaq Diesel
Silver Heist
Private Creed
Quiet As Midnight         36   65  55
Determinedly
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  • Edited February 19, 2023 7:14 pm  by  smartyslew
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/19/23

Forte I have Bad vibes off since 11/4 /22 and Pletcher I bet he puts

Forte in one non point race with Lasix  and after for Cox and Pletcher the Pattern

is good for 2 races after. Cyberknife special. ? Red Flag Anyway.

Hoosier Philly might have an injury from that stumble out of the gate.

  • Edited February 19, 2023 7:16 pm  by  smartyslew
DogsUpWired

From: DogsUpWired

2/19/23

For human children

Lasix may be given once per day up to 3 times daily.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/19/23

RUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Makes no sense :  

once per day up to 3 times daily.

  • Edited February 19, 2023 7:20 pm  by  smartyslew
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/19/23

2 horses on our list ran 1-2 8th race Oaklawn Opt Cl  $100,000 8f both on Laslx 
Two Eagles River 1st,  Disarm 2nd

DogsUpWired

From: DogsUpWired

2/19/23

Depending on weight of child, one dose,or up to 3 a day.

Adults with severe medical conditions can be given L.

Used in racing for near 50 years now.

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