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2022 2-year-olds/2023 3-year-olds   Handicapping - HRN Horse-Races.Net

Started 7/2/21 by smartyslew; 352946 views.
RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

2/19/23

I need to see Forte. Hopefully he will look better than Hoosier Philly.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/19/23

Equibase Speed Numbers for the Risen Star entrants Plus Previous 2 races see how Lasix did
Risen Star listed first , then Previous races . Don't tell me Lasix doesn't give more than a boost
To me this is a red flag for possible masking Agent Lasix masking illegal drugs.
14,17,21 point jump in numbers is a little much. Anybody Agree ?  L= Lasix race
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Angel Of Empire         96         92  1st 80 L +14  66-6th  Cox
Sun Thunder              94         92  1st6 83 L +4   79
Two Phils                   92         95      93   Lasix  free
Tapits Conquest          91        98 L+14             84        Cox       
Single Ruler               88     1st 92 L +17   75
Harlocap                    82    1st 97L +14    83L 2nd
Crupi                         81        99L +8      91+21        70    Pletcher
Curly Jack                  80        81            87 Lasix Free
Victory inFormation    73        97            98    COX  Undefeated Pre Race; L Free ;Cox will add L non Pt race 
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 next didn't belong waste of time
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Shaq Diesel
Silver Heist
Private Creed
Quiet As Midnight         36   65  55
Determinedly
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  • Edited February 19, 2023 7:14 pm  by  smartyslew
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/19/23

Forte I have Bad vibes off since 11/4 /22 and Pletcher I bet he puts

Forte in one non point race with Lasix  and after for Cox and Pletcher the Pattern

is good for 2 races after. Cyberknife special. ? Red Flag Anyway.

Hoosier Philly might have an injury from that stumble out of the gate.

  • Edited February 19, 2023 7:16 pm  by  smartyslew
DogsUpWired

From: DogsUpWired

2/19/23

For human children

Lasix may be given once per day up to 3 times daily.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/19/23

RUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Makes no sense :  

once per day up to 3 times daily.

  • Edited February 19, 2023 7:20 pm  by  smartyslew
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/19/23

2 horses on our list ran 1-2 8th race Oaklawn Opt Cl  $100,000 8f both on Laslx 
Two Eagles River 1st,  Disarm 2nd

DogsUpWired

From: DogsUpWired

2/19/23

Depending on weight of child, one dose,or up to 3 a day.

Adults with severe medical conditions can be given L.

Used in racing for near 50 years now.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/20/23

I still don't see Comparing Humans (even Children) to Tbreds the 2 systems are different to function.
Horses System are different from most other animals. Its like comparing a Kumquat to a Q Tip.

Humans use Lasix to control blood pressure. But it's become the single most controversial medication in racing. It's used on race day, in the U.S. and Canada.
Humans system is Different from Horses their Spleen  is used in different ways than humans and most other animals
Is Lasix a performance-enhancer?
  • It's used on race day, in the U.S. and Canada, to control horse's bleeding in the lungs. But outside of North America, it's widely banned on race days. As a diuretic, Lasix causes horses to drop a significant amount of weight due to fluid loss. As a result, they race lighter. That's led to charges that Lasix is a performance-enhancer.

Why do horses bleed?

Racehorses are unique, in that they are one of very few animals known to suffer Exercise Induced Pulmonary Hemorrhage (EIPH) (more commonly referred to as bleeding), Professor Ken Hinchcliff, dean of veterinary and agricultural sciences at the University of Melbourne and co-author of a series of comprehensive studies in recent years looking into the effects of Lasix on racehorses, told the Guardian. One of the causes of EIPH is a four-fold increase in pulmonary blood pressure when horses exercise or compete.
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“If you take a horse out and exercise it, then the blood pressure leading from the artery on the right side of the heart to the lungs increases from about 25mm of mercury [pressure] to about 100mm of pressure,” he said. “You don’t see anything like this in humans, for example.”
-“A horse can pass between 10 to 15 liters of urine in the first hour after Furosemide is administered,” said Hinchcliff. “Whereas a horse throughout the normal course of the day would only produce about 10 to 15 liters of urine. So it markedly increases the rate of urine production.”
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I'm no doctor but you would think after one hour it would create a Hydrate problem,  Do they still have  to wait 4 hours
before a race with no water ???
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  • Edited February 20, 2023 1:58 pm  by  smartyslew
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/20/23

The rest of the field is a waste of time. first 5 finishers listed
Risen Star splits
---------------------------2f --- 4f ------6f-------8f----------9f 
Angel of Empire         24.54   48.61  13.11    38.63         51.47  25.60 Last Q
L                                          24.07  24.50    25.52        12.84 1/8
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Sun Thunder            25.36    48.93   13.44   38.52         51.67  25.69  Q
L                                         23.57   24.51   25.08         13.15 1/8
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Two Phils                24.34    47.81    12.62   38.53         52.02   26.45  Q
NO L                                  23.47    24.81   25.91         13.49 1/8
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Tapits Conquest      24.77   48.94     13.54   38.53         52.12   26.19 Q
L                                      24.17     24.60   24.99          13.69   1/8
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Single Ruler           25.27   48.83     14.04   39.83         52.52     25.59 Q   8 wide turn
L                                      23.56     25.21   25.79         12.69     1/8
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On The Lead : Determinedly2f 23.34 ,4f 47.50, Harlocap 6f 1.12.21,Sun Thunder 8f 1.38.52
Angel Of Empire 1.51.47
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  • Edited February 20, 2023 4:40 pm  by  smartyslew
RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

2/21/23

I just saw Don Corleone, the pricey MTR colt run his second race. He challenged a Baffert colt on the front end, then tired badly. It was a better effort than his debut at least.

Just found out that when he ran so impressively at the sales, resulting in his 1.2 million price tag, it was on an artificial surface. He might wind up on the turf before long. He is such a big, imposing figure, that I have to believe he will have some success at some point.

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