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2022 2-year-olds/2023 3-year-olds   Handicapping - HRN Horse-Races.Net

Started 7/2/21 by smartyslew; 353888 views.
SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

Sep-16

Do you know why the Cox horse, Gettysburg Address, scratched?  I read just yesterday that Cox said he's sure he'd love the stretchout.

I wonder if he's doing like some others and testing his own horses pre-race for overages?  Then, late scratch to avoid the inevitable penalty?

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Sep-16

I was thinking the same thing.

I just now checked why.. HEHEHE, no I was looking for the spacing of his works and races.
Last race Aug. 6 , if you get a chance look at his pattern of  works for this horse
12 days 4f, 9 days  5f, 6 days 5f fastest and longest work, 7 days last work 5f, 7days race day 5f.
vet scratch......... that a 1 that I know of .  what did defunded have 4 or 5 vet scratches.

Gettysburg Address
SCRATCHED
Reason: Veterinarian
  • Edited September 16, 2023 2:56 pm  by  smartyslew
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Sep-16

I always liked it when WT updated vet scratches when she gets them. saved a lot of dinero.

A good tool for the old tool box dontcha think. Transperanacy!!!

If they would tell us why !

  • Edited September 16, 2023 3:05 pm  by  smartyslew
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Sep-16

Race 6 Churchill  More Than Vows and Wicked Halo go at it. 6f  10 min to post.

SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

Sep-16

I just looked at the workout pattern for this one.  It looks like he should have been ready to roll today.  I would very much like to know the reason for all the late scratches.  It's not too much for a bettor to ask.  

Cox is not a fellow I trust, at all, anyway.  His stats are unbelievable.  Better than most of the greats through the ages by a lot.

https://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=People&searchType=T&eID=241578&rbt=TB

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Sep-16

25 percent win lifetime, 30 million in 2021.

top horses  6 weeks in between races with works  that can slowly be unmasked week to week
or work to work by race day. him and Pletcher

And no reason given gets old like you say.  A bettor if done right would not have to ask

and gets the runaround asking for the answer Man playing kick the can in places he shouldn't be stuck in

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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Sep-19

this time of year only grade one races at the major tracks interest me for 3 year olds if the field has anyone I'm interested in.
I will watch these races to see who improves and many years it could be somebody llke Tiznow a late startertype.

Here is the top three year old equibase speed numbers thru 9/18/23, for anybody interested
to see how many are in the Penn. Derby and one angle is to look at the ones that are late to the party
could be ready to jump up.--
Arabian LionJustify115

Arabian KnightUncle Mo111
Munnys GoldMunnings111
GilmoreTwirling Candy110
AngelofEmpireClassicEmpire109
ForteViolence109
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Sep-22

Penn DERBY  G1   9f (11 entrants 3 yr olds    Parx race 13 9/23/21   , Yes It was a no brainer for the win.
------------------------------Lasix---------------------break last
Modern Era  P  MDN      last 4                              6th
Dreamlike EP4                last 2                              6th   Second
Saudi Crown E8       3-4  back why??????              1st---3 triple speed   WON
Magic Tap EP8               All 4                                  2nd  4th 
Scotland  EP5         3-4-5 back                                 1st
Daydreaming Boy EP5 2-3 back                              7th
West Coast Cowboy P5 last,3 back                           2nd
Gilmore  P5      Last race of 9 win                            3rd
Crupi  EP5                 Last 2 &5 back                        3rd
Il Miracolo E5          4 back, races front wraps          3rd   3rd
Reincarnate EP8        Lasix free                                  1st
----------------------
Speed Last Race:3 Saudi Crown 106 9 Crupi L 101 4 Magic Tap 98 L 4th
------
Back Speed:104 Saudi Crown 102 Daydreaming Boy 100 Scotland
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Prime Power:3Saudi Crown147.0 5 Scotland 144.3 11Reincarnate 141.9
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Class Rating:3 Saudi Crown 1st 120.3 10 Il Miracolo 3rd  118.9 5 Scotland 118.7
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Best Speed at distance:3 Saudi Crown 106 9 Crupi L 101 5 Scotland 100
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Early pace :102 Saudi Crown 101 Magic Tap-L 4th 99 Gilmore - L
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late Pace:99 Saudi Crown Won 98 Reincarnate 96Il Miracolo  3rd
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  • Edited September 23, 2023 7:06 pm  by  smartyslew
Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

Sep-23

smartyslew said...

Yes It was a no brainer for the win.

I just now pulled up the results.  

Was suprised that Reincarnate and Scotland went off at lower odds than Dreamlike.   

I've always like Il Miracolo, nice Gun Runner colt, so glad he ran 3rd and actually added some value to the trifecta.  Turned a $14 exacta into an $85 trifecata for 50 cents.  I mean, he just won a stakes race there at Parx.....and came in 2nd in a stakes race before that.   The betting public let him get away at 25-1?  Heck.  That horse is much better than has been give credit for.  I should have played and put a decently large show wager on him since Ive always been a bit of a fan of his.  

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