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Blast from the past 2013 ,29th running of the BC Classic page one past angles for the win By Mucho Macho Man.
Many angles have changed and some haven't. Will Take Charge 2nd, Declaration Of War 3rd.
Some more from 2013 BC Classic pre race. EDIT IS Done fixed a mistake.
since 2012 only one Nasrullah or Non Phalaris Bm Sire Has won the Bc Classic *** Flight Line, Caro 2022
Changing of the Guard ,new era.
21 of 29 winners had Nasrullah or a non-phalris sire for Brood mare sire line.
10 nasrullah,11 non phalaris
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 08:35:04 PM PDT,
The Modern Conduit mare profiles utilize a formula similar to Dr. Steve Roman’s Dosage index. The Conduit Mare Profiles try to answer some of the questions posed by the limited stallion dosage indexes. An example is the Kentucky Derby winner Real Quiet who has a dosage that predicts speed (14-12-12-0-0) (5.33), but who was able to carry that speed 1 and 1/4 miles. Where did this endurance come from? His conduit mare profile (6-5-1-9-7) (0.75) (12-15-17) offers a hint, with enough female influenced stamina contributions to carry that brilliance over a distance of ground.
You can do this for capping and not breeding alone.
Yes, it took me a while to learn how to use modern conduit mares numbers and chef numbers and combine them for a picture of what I am looking at. Plus plenty of crappy Triads win big classic distance races. This is why we always say "track performance trumps pedigree" because a horse may be showing they are running more to their sire's side, or their mare's side. I was a "student" of Bill Lathrop's back when we were on the same forum together and I was always reading his MCM pages.
Example of one I just got a stable notifcation on, Charge It. Every time you see that one run the very amplified mare side speed shows up. So we know, from his track performance, what side he truly favors, because he always runs to it.
So that is the problem with using any kind of dosage type pedigree, either mare side or sire side...you have to watch the horse for quite a while to figure out what side they are *favoring* or if they are using both sides optimally....
.... OR even if they are being trained to use one side more than the other (which is oftentimes the fault of the trainer, beause they don't really understand this stuff). They are unable to really bring out the true abilities of a horse in a balanced manner.
Example of that would be Kavod. Trainer trained him to go to the front as a pacesetter, which I didn't think was his true calling.
Your sentence right here has a double meaning , the Other meaning with Conduits
Sire Side has 8 conduits and the Dam side has 8 conduits take the word side out
And Use Sires and Dams and I would do the top side Cmp and the bottom side cmp
the 16 conduit mares are on both sides to find where the dominant Speed and Stamina come from
What makes it confusing when Talking about Sires (dosage ) and Mares (cmp) both are on both sides
Of the Pedigree and I think when I talk Sires and Dams its what they give to the whole pedigree
Not the Sire Side Only and Not The Dam side only and I think many think thats what I'm talking about.
I know you know Charge it Looks more like his BMSire than his Sire.
"You have to watch the horse for quite a while to figure out what side they are *favoring*.
“you have to watch the horse for quite a while to figure out what side they are *favoring* or if they are using both sides optimally....”
This is exactly how I bet Arcangelo in the Belmont. He looked exactly like Arrogate. Arrogate’s talent was he galloped as fast as most horses breeze. Which gave him an edge as distance became longer. Arcangelo was developing at a similar rate; the later stages of their three year old year. Arcangelo works alone in the mornings. Arrogate can’t win the Travers by open lengths if he doesn’t like to run alone. That’s unusual for horses because they’re herd animals and the instinct is not run far from the group because in the wild that’s a ticket to become dinner. After watching the Travers I’m starting to think Arcangelo could beat this group by open lengths if Javy and Jen let him.
watch how Javy after getting squeezed at the break gets great position second inside when they enter the turn. Watch on the backstretch. No way he gives up that position early on the backstretch and loses 3 to 4 lengths from the pace if he doesn’t think Arcangelo is much the best. He gave up track position a jock would love to have, falls off the pace, and circles 4 wide on the turn. He doesn’t do that without feeling his horse is just playing with them. Lol one of Jen’s best decisions was having Javy work him in the mornings. No way after sitting on a horse like that on a regular basis he gives up that mount. He knows going into the Travers he’s sitting on a Ferrari and the other jocks are on a Pinto. Lol
the only thing I challenge in your statement is “quite awhile” if you know what you’re looking for only a race or two. I don’t know if a bet Arcangelo in the Belmont at lower odds than I thought I would get if he didn’t essentially breeze twice in 4 days before the race. That showed he gallops as fast as other horses breeze.
"And here's Disarm with a menacing move." Hahaha. Never in a hundred races is Disarm going to run-up and catch Arcangelo. I guess the announcer was trying from some fake drama.
It will take an international horse to give Arcangelo a race, IMO.
This sentence from Bill hypo mating the different positions in a pedigree even
sire to sire and Mare to Mare helps learning the influence for the target horse
for the up close most blood and the foundation of the most crosses for the sire
is it Nearco with 30 crosses or Teddy with 35 crosses or St Simon or Pocahantas sons
Like Stockwell.... that is way to much work for cappin one race, more for breeding