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2021 2 year olds   Handicapping

Started 7/2/21 by smartyslew; 47256 views.
In reply toRe: msg 351

From: smartyslew


10/1/21 starter list  updated 11/20/21
2 turn 2 yr old prospects for the fall and BC Juvenile races including turf prospects
Separate  from the other 2 yr old lists . 8 f and longer 2 turn prospects
Male list. I've  added the female list and not finished with it yet. when finished 
Achilles Heel (T)
Albahr (GB)(T) g1 last Q 23.29
Annapolis (T) 1st g2 8.5f 1.41.04
Armor (T) sprinter
Bayside Boy (T) 1st g2 doncaster
Be Like Clint (AW) off the turf
Ben Diesel
Big Country  front runner dirt
Biz Biz Buzz (T) sprinter
Brit's  Wit  (T)
Bourbon Heist 4th g3
Call Me Midnight
Chancellor Bay RF 4th STK-checked bad
Chaotic Tempo (T) 1st MSW
Castle Star (IRE) 2nd g1
Classic Causeway-speed sprinter
Commandperformance  2nd g1
Corniche  1st g1
Curbstone (T) 2nd Msw
Dakota Gold (T) 1st stk
Daunt (T) 1st Msw
Degree Of Risk (T)3-g1
Derecho Dandy(T)
Dowaiac Chief (T)
Dr Perry
Dream of A Day (T) 1/16 5.73 MSW
Electrostatic (T) 1st MSW    last Q 24.98
Eldons Prince (T)
Epic Luck (T)
First Empire g1  4th
Flip The Script (T)
Fort Washington (T)
G Munning elite sprinter
General Ken (T)
Get Back Goldie (T)
Giant Game
Grafton Street (T) 2nd g1
Grael  (T)
Great Britain (T)
Gingrich (T)
Heaven Street (T)
He's A Angel (T)rf 5h
Howling Time
Ignitus  sprinter
Jack Christopher
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In reply toRe: msg 352

From: smartyslew


fillies  thru 11/20/21
Aint Easy 1st g2
Already Charming (T)
Always Connected (T) sprinter
All Luck
Averly Jane (T) sprinter
Beachfront Bid (T)
Blissful (T)
Bubble Rock (T) sprinter
Buff My Boots 
Cachet (T)
Cairo Memories (T)
California Angel (T)1st G2
Cecilita (T)
Classic Lynne (T)
Classy Edition
Consumer Spending (T)
Curbs And Cones  Sprinter
Daisy Bee (T)
Desert Dawn
Determined Star (T)
Diamond Wow (T) Miler 2nd G2
Distinctlypossible  2nd g1
Dressed (T) G2
Echo Zulu  24.2 last Q
Electric Ride 2nd g2
Eminent Victor (T) 3rd g1
Empire Gal 
Fortunata Tensio (T)
Full Focus
Gal In A Rush (T) sprinter
Gimme Mo Baby(T)
Go Bears Go  (T) sprinter
Golden Sights sprinter
Grace Adler bad trip
Hals Dream (T) turn of feet
Haughty (T)
Helens Well (IRE) (T)
Hello You (IRE) (T)1st g2
Hemmerle  (T)
Hidden Connection
Jaccaci (T)
Juju's Map  1st g1
Koala Princess (T)
Kinchen (IRE) (T)
Kneesnhips (T)
La Crete
Lady Milagrow  (T)
Lia Marina (T) sprinter
Liams Dove (T)
Macadamia (FR) (T)
McKulick (GB) (T)
Mi Negrita
Mise En Scene
Misthaven (IRE)(T)
My Zip Zip Miler
Opalina (T)
Openthegate (T) 
Paris Paramour (T)
Penny Saver
Pizza Bianca (T) 2nd g1
Precious Insight (T)
Radio Days  sprinter
Ready To Purrform (T)
Roughly A Diamond (T)
Sail By (T) 1.43.21  lastQ 22.95
Sandstone MSW 8f Last Q 25.09(Slop)
Saratoga Chrome (T)
Secret Oath
Sequist  3rd g1
Silvery Rill (T)
Skims (T) Frankel
Solib (T)
Sterling Crest (T)
Stride (T)
Sweet As Pie  CL  
Tarabi 2nd g1
Tonitos (T)
Turnerloose (T) 3rd G2
Twilight Gleaming (T)sprinter 
Vergara (T)
Very Scary (T)
Vivacious Vanessa (T) Q 23.05
Waters Of Merom
Wild Beauty (GB) (T)1st g1
In reply toRe: msg 353

From: smartyslew


11/20/21  top 2022 Kentucky Derby wannabe's listed A thru Z
I have none of the 2 yr old turfers on this list at this time.
That can change if they try the dirt and show promise to be competitive
tail female families are listed first.
9f Classic Causeway 
3m Commandperformance
16g Double Thunder rf 1x
 21a  Epicenter
19c Giant Game  rf 2d
3j  Howling Time
1e Jack Christopher
8h Key Point
4c Major General rf 3L
2f Mannix rf 2d
12b Messier
3g Mo Donegal
4m Octane  rf  1x
13 Overstep 
1x- Oviatt Class
2h Pappacap
16g Pinehurst
17b Rattle N Roll
10a Rockefeller rf  2s
42  Strava
1n Zatip 
Waiting in the Wings
12b Affable Monarch
22c Cajuns Magic
21a Freelancer rf 2s
4r Gilded Age  rf 2 s
14c Higher Standard
9f  HP Moon     8/21/21 ?
4r Kamui 
8c Life Is Great
26 Rocket Dawg
4r  Shipsational
12c Simplification rf 12c
6d Smile Happy
1e  Spartan Army
9e White Abarrio
8c Win For The Money AW
3i Winterwood 
2b Witty rf 1x

From: Gerh


He is 15-1 in the first futures pool.No Baffert horses listed


From: smartyslew


100-1 a few days ago in Las Vegas, he was well under the radar until this pool came out

Suggest Behind the scenes they are talking about him a lot. If your a future player

William Hills the place to look for Gamblers if you like him.  15-1 is N/A this time of year.


From: Gerh


With Romans as the trainer,he will be given every possible opportunity to secure a spot in the starting gate

In reply toRe: msg 355

From: Wintertrian


Took a look at the KY Derby Futures lists.   For both horses, fillies and sires. 

Classic Empire not listed in the future sires list.   

Nor are the Classic Empire progeny I like listed in the derby futures. 

Strange.   That they didn't include. 

Classic Empire was nursing a bad foot since before the ARKIE Derby.  And was kept out of the Belmont due to that foot problem, so Casse could never race him at the level he wanted to.  That was a gorgeous pedigree and I wish he had not been nursing that bad abcessed foot since he never got to show his true abilities. 

anyway, I love him as a sire, and I like his colt, Classic Moment.    Plenty enough classicity w/Fappiano-Unbridled-Empire Maker-PON on sire side;   then tons of speed on the mare's side.   Then, plenty  of HOYs in this guy's pedigree as well as Broodmare of the Year Leslie's Lady.    23b family

Interestingly, Classic Empire did well in KY (Churchill and Keenland) exactly where Classic Moment is doing well.  He may end up being too sprinty, guess we'll see. . 

In reply toRe: msg 354

From: smartyslew


Message 354 is our  Kentucky Derby to stretch out list and waiting in the Wings

to stretch out list .

Kentucky Jockey Club had 4 entrants from this list Waiting in the wings had the Winner

Smile Happy 1st, White Abarrio- 3rd, The Main list had Classic Causeway -2nd place

Howling Time -5th place. Boxing Those 4 paid the Trifecta; $1 pd $127.10

In reply toRe: msg 352

From: smartyslew


If you took the time to look over this list(message 352) for the Central Park Stakes Race 7 on the Turf 8.5 f, yesterday , this has the Male turfers on it . projected to move up. The first 4 finishers

were the only ones on this list Sy Dog 1st, Ohtwoohthreefive 2nd, Maseta 3rd, General Ken 4th

$1 Super $1520.00.

I suggest using my lists to see if they are entered in a race, It could be worth it.

I have found with 2 yr olds to have better luck with Boxes than keying, wheeling that works better

for me , 2 yr olds are growing and can take turns reaching the next rung on the ladder

Born January to June depending what month they start racing is tough to gauge where a horse is 

maturing. Keys and wheels work better for me with mature horses racing that are fit.

Once in a while and maybe one or two a year  will stand out and I might key them if I think they are special.

  • Edited November 28, 2021 2:13 pm  by  smartyslew

From: smartyslew


35-1 noon time PST today, 3 hrs to go.