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2021 2 year olds   Handicapping

Started 7/2/21 by smartyslew; 115193 views.
RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

Jan-5

On further reflection, I think he goes to the Tampa Bay Derby, then one of the big April preps. Three sophomore races is the norm for Todd.

As for this race, there are winners in here, rather than maidens. It is more of a challenge, even though it’s not much farther. But remember, he debuted at a mile. He’ll have enough foundation if all goes well to the 1st Saturday in May. Baby steps! After what I watched last year with Crowded Trade, I’m good with the patient approach!

TexSquared

From: TexSquared

Jan-6

princeofdoc said:

I'm still amazed that ownership sacrifices Derby points to stay with Baffert.....guess it will stop for the next points races at Santa Anita

Given the way the points system works, the eight 100-point races are effectively "win and you're in" for the Derby so I could see a trainer switch just for that final prep. These 10 point races mean almost nothing.  And if the horse can't win a 100-point prep race he probably wasn't good enough to win the Derby anyway so, no loss.  Send him back to Baffert and prepare for the Breeders' Cup (unless he's also banned from Keeneland?)

No owner is switching yet so as to not "show his hand" to other owners, trainers, track management and state officials.

RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

Jan-6

I was wondering if Baffert was just being defiant. If he could win all the major preps, he could render the Derby moot, and make it appear illegitimate. His hubris is on that level!

princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

Jan-6

I sincerely doubt the owners will allow that.....I just wonder what keeps the owner groups with him this long?!?  Do they really think he gives them an advantage?  With Callaghan and Walsh.....young good trainers....as well as the obvious Pletcher and Cox, I just don't understand.....especially with such a good prospect like Corniche.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Jan-6

Tex, You make a lot of sense and the only thing I'll add ,The Trainers that spoke

their mind like Liz Cheney does may be left out adding to their stable . I know

Shirreffs thought it was overdone going way to far for a trainer to do his job.

He might get a horse or 2 if the owners go the route you suggest and Mandella and others

may get shut out. I think you can guess which California trainers get a shot. Maybe Jimmy Barnes. 

RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

Jan-6

You doubt the owners will allow that, but wonder what keeps them with him? lol

TexSquared

From: TexSquared

Jan-7

smartyslew said:

I think you can guess which California trainers get a shot. Maybe Jimmy Barnes. 

I believe Churchill's rules now specify that a horse trained by a suspended trainer or anybody employed by that trainer, is ineligible.   That's essentially the Jimmy Barnes rule right there.

Trainer suspensions have become a joke with Baffert horses moved to Jimmy Barnes, Asmussen horses to Scott Blasi, Doug O'Neill horses to Leandro Mora,  Pletcher horses to (not sure who his main assistant is now.. Anthony Sciametta?), Richard Dutrow horses to his brother Tony, etc.   So Churchill finally fixed that. If an owner of a Baffert trainee wants Derby points (and ultimately, in the race, and/or to the Belmont Stakes) the horse needs to move to a totally unaffiliated operation.  

princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

Jan-7

Looks like Emmanuel is scratched for today.....hope it's not serious

RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

Jan-7

Yeah, I'm disappointed. Hopefully, it's just a slight fever, or something. 

Well I'm still looking forward to four other firsters at Gulfstream this weekend:

1. Vocalize - Out of Harmonize, in Race 7 today. 

2. Ciango - Out of a mare First Samurai, in Race 4 tomorrow.

3. Sensual Chocolate - Out of a Lightning N Thunder mare, in Race 11 tomorrow.

4. Omixochitl(f) - Out of a Goodbye Kid, in Race 7 Sunday.

  • Edited January 7, 2022 2:11 pm  by  RAESFAN
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Jan-10

How did these do ?

Anything coming up this week ?

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