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The Father, Mother and the Son   Pedigree/Breeding

Started Aug-19 by smartyslew; 800 views.
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Aug-19

The linebreeding and Influence from The Sire and The Dam that shows both sides

of Influence from the Inbreeding of 2 or more crosses in a pedigree, no matter

the nick from a Sire or BMSire  and Dam that is the most upclose to the target horse 

first 2 generations, Linebreeding chart . The Father Nearctic, The Mother Natalma,

and the Son Northern Dancer. You will see the Influence of the data from both sides

of the Father and Mother that is passed on  to the Son Northern Dancer.

When I look at a pedigree for todays runners influence I look for the influence 

closer than 5 x5 first like 4x4, 3x3,2x3,4x5, and the agr percentage over 10 percent.

St Simon, His Sire Galopin, And His Dam St Angela are one of the top influences

in TBred world wide.

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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Aug-19

NEARCTIC H, 1954 DP = 16-12-20-4-6 (58) DI = 1.90   CD = 0.48
Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines Blood% Influence AGR
ST SIMON 6s x 5S x 5S x 6s x 6D x 5D x 7d x 7d x 6D 9
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Aug-19

NORTHERN DANCER H, 1961 DP = 8-16-15-3-0 (42) DI = 3.00   CD = 0.69

Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines Blood% Influence AGR
ST SIMON 7s x 6S x 6S x 7s x 7S x 6S x 8s x 8s x 7S x 9d x 8D x 8D x 9d x 9D x 9d x 9d x 8D x 8D x 9D x 8D x 8d 21
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Aug-22

Look at the linebreeding for the Travers probables and see the angles for influence
on message 1.This is the Linebreeding influence for each on the day they were born.
before they did their hard work from training, eating, maturing , special mix, racing,
meds and look for their nicks, tail female families, Rasmussen factors,
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Arcangelo  DP 3-16-5-0-0 (24)DI 8.60 CD 0.92 8f Arrogate/ Tapit
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Aug-22

National Treasure{4-c}DP4-4-7-1-0 (16)DI 2.56 CD  0.69 Quality Road/ Meda D'oro
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Aug-22

Big red and his Mother and Dad Linebreeding

SECRETARIAT H, 1970 DP = 20-14-7-9-0 (50) DI = 3.00   CD = 0.90
Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines Blood% Influence AGR
ST SIMON
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Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

Aug-22

It's always amazing to me how horses with good pedigrees sometimes "turn out."   I was going thru some of my personal archives (since my laptop bit the dust last week, had to buy a new one, and deleting stuff I had accumulated in the way of documents and emails). 

Any, one of the notes I had written to myself was a horse named In The Beat.  Foaled in 2009, a 3 year old in 2012. 


1) Sired by a KY Derby winner
2) out of a mare by another KY Derby winner
3) sire's sire won the Dubai World Cup
4) And then on dams side just one generation back, Seattle Slew, a TC winner. 

Auction price was $180,000 as a yearling, in 2010.  Started out with Carl Nafzgar. Got Calvin Borel for jock.  He won his maiden in 3rd career race at Churchill, and Borel gave him the same rail skimming ride that Borel is famous for.  

(Eerily, Borel had also ridden Street Sense, this colt's sire.  And Nafzgar had trained that one, too. )   

So....you look at all this and think:  hmmmm.  This looks like a "good recipe".     Nice 1x family colt.  Pedigree here:
https://www.pedigreequery.com/in+the+beat2

 

Then ....you see what happened to him, after 84 races, numerous trainers, and finally ends up in a claimer race at Parx for $5,000 claiming price in 2017... after first setting foot on the track in 2011.   

https://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=8604984&registry=T&rbt=TB


He just could never bring it on the track, yet he had all the right *genes*. 

 

bisket513

From: bisket513

Aug-22

When I saw National Treasure in the Preakness I thought of Medina Spirit. Treasure has 1 solid in his dosage and Medina Spirit had the Hail to Reason- Roberto- Dynaformer dosage line. Baffert is going for more stamina and trying to train speed into them. Treasure might be the horse that’s an overlay Saturday. All of the others have been in New York and everyone has been watching. Just like Rocket lol Treasure might sneak into town and end up in the winner’s circle better then 10 to 1

  • Edited August 22, 2023 7:33 am  by  bisket513
SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

Aug-22

10/1 or better?   Dream on bisket.  

My question:  What is Scotland doing in the race?

This actually a pretty interesting Travers.  

bisket513

From: bisket513

Aug-22

All I can say about that is Mott was quoted that Scotland has picked it up in his training lately. The exact same thing he said before Drosselmeyer finished second in the Jockey Club then won the Classic. I always said the difference between Drosselmeyer in the Jockey Club and Drosselmeyer in the Classic that year… 2 turns

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