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Kentucky Derby 2021 DogsUp Diary   Triple Crown

Started Feb-28 by DogsUp; 34580 views.
ChiefsCrown

From: ChiefsCrown

May-13

Bris pp's. Upper right where it states wins on Fst (107) 1-0-0-0 $15000.

Nothing about AW track runs.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-13

That's there projected best breeding speed number on a fast track , and its misleading showing 1 race 1-0-0-0 

The Speed number for that one race would be to the right of that $15,000 money won for all of the fast races (1 0nly)

its not a North American Race, they don't cover that track

look down at the next horse Unbridled's Honor his fast track projection the same (107) his record 3-1-0-0 speed number to the right 85, best...

below that line is the projected (off) track best number (107) actual 2-0-1-0  92 best off track .

Go over and down to his past performance.. his last race was his 92 off track number the Lexington at Keeneland 2nd place finish.

his best Fast Track effort was 2 races back Tampa bay 4th place 85 number. I hope that isn't confusing..

Oldbettowin

From: Oldbettowin

May-14

Those aren’t all-weather tracks in the sense that they’re synthetic surfaces; they’re just dirt.  They just call all non-turf races that.  If you click on the dates of his races it shows the conditions and you can see his have all been on dirt.  Compare it to say Rombauer—the one at Golden Gate (the El Camino Real) says it was on all weather, Tapeta.

Oldbettowin

From: Oldbettowin

May-14

I think those figures are based on pedigree?  Not sure how they calculate them—whether it’s just sire and dam/bms or if it involves more?  

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-14

Everybody and their brother use to look for Halo in a pedigree for a off track. lot of water came down the Mississippi since then.

ChiefsCrown

From: ChiefsCrown

May-14

No, not confusing at all. That clarifies that part of the pp's for me. I can usually read the Bris form, must of misunderstood that. The DRF pp's....forget it, not good at that one!

Thanks Slew.

ChiefsCrown

From: ChiefsCrown

May-14

Smarty just schooled me on this issue.

Thanks!!!

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

May-14

Oldbettowin said...

Those aren’t all-weather tracks in the sense that they’re synthetic surfaces; they’re just dirt.  They just call all non-turf races that.

Yes Japan runs on dirt.  That is one of the reasons why many think one of those will eventually win one of our big races. 

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

May-14

Oldbettowin said...

I think those figures are based on pedigree?  Not sure how they calculate them—whether it’s just sire and dam/bms or if it involves more?  

I find them to be somewhat off.  Rombauer for instance.  A stamina horse. They have his AWDs very low

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

May-14

ChiefsCrown said...

Looking at The Racing Post run lines (very vague) it looks like France Go de Ina is an  AW runner. Shows 4 races on the stuff. Brisnet pp's show he ran a 107 on a fast track. Probably a moot point. Info in case anyone's using him.

Since Smarty schooled you in all that, I will offer that a friend transposed the figs for FGdI and they are 82, 85, and 84 going backwards from his last race.   What method he uses to do this I do not know.   But if valid, somewhere around the speed figs that keepmeinmind, unbridled honor run.   

FGdI won 2 races at 1-1/8.  One of the reassons I like him and Risk Taking. 

 

What we do know is that Japan racing is not done as fast as US racing.  

Once the tracks stop being souped up maybe an across-the-pond DIRT horse can win this.  Lani did pretty well.  I think Casino Drive would have done quite well had he not picked up that pebble and bruised his foot and scratched.   

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