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Fla Derby   Triple Crown

Started 3/21/21 by Plus2lbs; 3663 views.
princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

3/28/21

I'm sure there is something to what you are alleging.....his barn certainly needs monitoring.  But all his horses are not performing.  Spielberg certainly didn't, nor did Freedom Fighter....or several others.  Yes, he does get some well bred horses, more than his share, and he does get some of them to perform excellent at the right time.  So it's a mixture, but I wouldn't agree that he has ruined thoroughbred racing.  Let's see who wins this Derby, we're still a ways off, and there is some good running to watch!

Plus2lbs

From: Plus2lbs

3/28/21

The good ones make it look easy..

SEE HERE..

WTG Winter...

Gerh

From: Gerh

3/28/21

It seems like every year Baffert produces the same type of runner regardless of pedigree.The numerous drug infractions are bad enough but the BS excuses offered by Baffert are ridiculous.But you are right;Baffert has not ruined the purity of the sport.Thoroughbred racing,through its inaction and complacency has already done that

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Plus2lbs

From: Plus2lbs

3/28/21

Scapegoats don't cut it.

Anymore..

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princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

3/28/21

First of all, virtually all trainers use Lasix unless they can't due to rules; BB is no outlier there.  Does he include illegal drugs as well, that are masked by Lasix?  Perhaps.  He has been called out, but so have others.  True, the whole sport needs greater accountability, no doubt. 

But it's a completely other charge that BB (or anyone) can somehow create a Derby winner out of a horse without a good pedigree, without good preparation, and without superior athletic ability. 

I just don't buy it

ChiefsCrown

From: ChiefsCrown

3/28/21

Thanks for the kudos on Known Agenda win. I think he'll be live longer (+10/1) shot in the derby. Reminds me of Pletcher's Super Saver from 2010.

Think any of the Jack Ruby Steaks runners have a legit shot of hitting the board in the derby?

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Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

3/28/21

Gerh said...

It seems like every year Baffert produces the same type of runner regardless of pedigree.

At least someone notices. 

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

3/28/21

princeofdoc said...

virtually all trainers use Lasix unless they can't due to rules; BB is no outlier there.  Does he include illegal drugs as well, that are masked by Lasix?  Perhaps.  He has been called out, but so have others.

Yeah, okay.   And Im not talking about lasix although that is certainly part of the US problem.

Not just called out.........he had an entire racing board have a meeting, behind closed doors, to throw out one of his positives.  

And nobody said he creates derby winners out of horses w/out good pedigrees.   

Really, it's like most of what I'm talking about has gone over your head, but that's okay.  You don't have to "buy it".    ;)  

I guess you don't remember when roman dropped out the the game........ever wonder why?   Did you even read why?   Its when you have a numbers theory and the subject matter no longer runs to those numbers.  Every wonder why THAT is?   It's because of pervasive drugs.  You can't very well have a numbers theory if the numbers go all wonky because they no longer *fit* any scenario....

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SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

3/28/21

Gerh said:

Baffert has not ruined the purity of the sport. Thoroughbred racing, through its inaction and complacency has already done that.

Bingo!  Exactly right.  

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Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

3/29/21

Yes Gerh you are correct, they have allowed the transgressions.   

I  think they are convinced that racing needs Bafferts, and Servis et. al. without realizing for the serious and longstanding fans, it's making them walk away. 

Maybe the newbie younger generation will love all the Baffert hype as they are used to all that from instagram, tiktok, etc. which is all about hype hype hype, superstardom, influencers, etc.   I've no stomach for it myself. I find all that self-promotion and posing to be quite boring.  I think most thinking adults do.  

I would love for the industry to embrace more of the hard working long timers who have been toiling away in smaller barns giving 110% 24/7 but there seems to be no place for them in the game of billionaire big barns and their connections.    I know it was once called the Sport of Kings but even that is getting a little long in the tooth because that always implied that you had to be a king to even participate in this sport, at any level like one of those Dream The Impossible Dream scenarios and lottery winners.     I just don't think that is a truism and certainly not reallly fitting in in a more modern society as we move into 2021 and beyond. 


I'm actually suprised the Bezos doesn't own race horses yet.   I mean, it would be fitting. :)  

  

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