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Medina Spirit - Positive - Betamethasone   Triple Crown

Started 5/9/21 by SameSteve G; 21210 views.
SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

5/9/21

I wouldn't put anything past a lunatic, especially a hateful lunatic.  The single reason I don't by the overage as the result of a xenophobic operative is that the bad test was 21 picograms.  Someone as hateful as you suggest would more likely simply poison the horse a la Phar Lap & kill him.

Why go to the trouble to titrate a dose or multiple doses of a common anti-inflammatory unless you attribute a lot more intelligence to hate-driven saboteur than I do.

I suppose it's possible but it seems highly unlikely to me.  Occam's Razor = Baffert is responsible.

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Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

5/9/21

SameSteve G said...

I wouldn't put anything past a lunatic, especially a hateful lunatic.  The single reason I don't by the overage as the result of a xenophobic operative is that the bad test was 21 picograms.  Someone as hateful as you suggest would more likely simply poison the horse a la Phar Lap & kill him.

The point would not be trying to kill the horse.  More likely they would be trying to *discredit* the reputations of Baffert and his horse's saudi owner.  

Killing the horse would do nothing at all to *ruin reputations*, cast aspersions, take away someone's credibility, etc. and ruin careers.   I was just offering up another scenario while hanging off the side of the bandwagon.  :) 

Other possibility is that Baffert's "feed guys" aren't getting it right, and Baffert wouldn't know that,maybe the stuffs that is supposed to be "undetectable" actually isn't as they may have assured him.   

There's a lot of scenarios possible here.  Unfortunately, none of them are good. 

princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

5/9/21

Let's see what the 2nd lab tests shows....it's interesting that Baffert went to the press ahead of the time when they usually report.  Also wonder if the colt had the anti-inflammatory 2 weeks prior, which BB denies, if it could possibly show up in the blood.

I play a lot of poker, Steve, and I read Baffert as being surprised.....both by MS's victory AND the positive drug test.

SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

5/9/21

1 picogram is 1 trillionth of a gram.  So, Medina was 11 trillionths of 1 gram over.   An almost infinitesimally small amount.

A slightly altered metabolism or a slower than "normal" metabolism would put Medina over if the medication was in use.  Baffert says he never used it on the horse, BTW.

I agree & I have all along we need to see what happens with the split sample.   

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

5/9/21

SameSteve G said...

I agree & I have all along we need to see what happens with the split sample.

Agree, also.

SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

5/9/21

You may be right, as I acknowledged.  The lunatic(s) may have a very savvy chemist on the payroll.  :)

As I was saying to prince, 11 trillionths of a gram over is an almost infinitesimally small amount & would only take the slightest error on a human's part or a slightly out of whack biology in Medina to trigger the overage.

As far as conspiracies go, I think it's more likely that CDI, The KHRC & Baffert would collude to bury a positive split sample.

We should find out soon enough.  

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ChiefsCrown

From: ChiefsCrown

5/9/21

"Were" is that the word used? If MS is DQ'd for the derby, the teflon man won't run Concert Tour in the Preakness?

....and if CT is withdrawn can we assume Baffert's guilty on drugging him as well?

A lot of questions, should prove to be an interesting and unboring leadup to the second leg of the triple crown. Not to mention the odds should change.

DogsUp

From: DogsUp

5/9/21

+All

Horses owned by licensed individuals can run their horses with another trainer; due to their trainer who becomes ruled off the course, suspended or significantly barred.

°Churchill must address °Idependent lab finding              °Kentucky Racing Rules

They/CD will make Baffert the Gov of Kentucky or Pope before they would have to disqualify his colt and have to tell the one shooter world the Kty Derby product has some shame and sham. 

  • Edited May 9, 2021 7:14 pm  by  DogsUp
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DogsUp

From: DogsUp

5/9/21

This thing is really a big story and covers....multi media ..media hype; that bettors don't have to return money won. . (Could I ever do a number on that LOL.)

Odds that Baffert will not be barred, and Churchill Downs will do everything in their power to make it a diminmus event and winner Stays Up: 1/9.

Odds Baffert severely sanctioned and Medina Spirit stripped of Win and installation of runner up becoming 2021 Derby winner: beyond counting.

This does cast a heavy cloud over the Preakness and Pimlico's big day unfortunately.

What's even more concerning; make that interesting, is the annual one day shooters for the Derby and the daily Daily Double partakers have no interest one way or another. They more or less expect it and accept it. No questions asked.

I didn't hear a peep when Maximum Security DQed.

When Steve Asmussen was audited; I believed they were trumped up charges. And a formal investigation found him absolutely in compliance. And the cost of those chargers were an assistant trainer committing suicide in that he felt he spoke to the case's undercover mole with candor.

This is the game we have chosen.

  • Edited May 9, 2021 8:45 pm  by  DogsUp
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