Horse-Races.Net HRN's Horse Racing Forum

Hosted by Cindy Dulay (CindyDulay)|Horse-Races.Net

This is a place for friendly and civil discussion of horse racing of all types including handicapping. Hosted by HRN: Horse-Races.Net

  • 545
    MEMBERS
  • 36974
    MESSAGES
  • 1
    POSTS TODAY

Discussions

2022 2-year-olds/2023 3-year-olds   Handicapping - HRN Horse-Races.Net

Started 7/2/21 by smartyslew; 349833 views.
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

6/3/23

Those are all good concerns, I forgot that Arcangelos 9f win , was a one turn 9f event

and thats not the same as a two turn race and saying that ,the Peter Pan has been a good feeder

for the Belmont Stakes and he is a May Foal  playing catchup that. is very relaxed runner imo

and I like his pedigree and splits in that one turn race and got up in time to catch a very good one turn

type for the win. 

The field is strong imo and I'm showing the linebreeding for this group to compare to some of the past winners

because it shows how the breeders are changing and we need more races on a safe track

to card longer distances to show how they deserve to be competitive on the World stage

and it doesn't have to be on dirt. The linebreeding Shows How important the Godolphin . Byerley Turk,

and Darley Arabian lines still are its not P/P Sire and Bms lines that we are brainwashed with,

3 of the Tapit Belmont wins were P/N nicks, and the pedigrees are filled with Darley Arabian (DA)

Godolphian (G) , Byerley Turk (BT)  that are getting pushed back further every year,
  I suggest we think P/ Da, Da/P, Da/G, G/Da, B/DA, B/G, G/B and get away from P/P. P/n. P/P N/N
Sire and BMS only we would be better served than looking at only 2 lines of the the 32 lines that run thru the

5th generation pedigree,

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

6/3/23

here is an angle I haven't updated since 2018 Justifys year 8 gen, female Linebreeding
for the Belmont.  P =Phalaris, DA = Darley Arabian not going Thru Phalaris, G =Godolphin Sire Line
b or BT = Byerley Turk Sire Line...

Subject: Fw: 2018 belmont 8 generation female linebreeding
FIRST: s cat/ dep min 1h,narrate by honest pleasure/ state with, mr p , mrp
he is the only horse i have seen with 4 daughters of mr p in his pedigree
and has the rasmussed factor from 2 of them by Narrate, by honest pleasure/nijinsky
blue eye momo= gs-bms bms francis s,blackball 1x=bms bms bms the axe, sire of foggy note 3-0
1st s cat/ awesome again  1h
JUSTIFY C, 2015 DP = 5-6-8-1-0 (20) DI = 3.00   CD = 0.75
Horse Inbreeding Stats
...[Message truncated]
View Full Message
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

6/3/23

Subject: belmont 2017 8 gen female linebreeding the cd even , Patch closest Gen inf 5x6, Irish War top 8 gen
percent 72.79%, 1st Da/Da 3 spots 
first 3 the who for Stam S Royal , Knights Daughter both PrinceQ line
Aspidstra Speed for balance Dr Fager & Magic. Its the Who, not what. Patch got beat by 2 w/a good pedigree. 
-----
Tapit/inreality  19
TAPWRIT C, 2014 DP = 6-9-12-1-0 (28) DI = 3.00   CD = 0.71
Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines Blood%
...[Message truncated]
View Full Message
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

6/3/23

Subject: 2016 belmont 8 gen female b linebreeding :3 well bred finishers, all around 70 percent 8 gen
again the who with Sp & ST, by a nose,-1 1/2 length
---
first; tapit/damascus 2-0 P/N
creator= 4-10-11-1-0 (26) DI = 3.00   CD = 0.65
Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines Blood%
...[Message truncated]
View Full Message
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

6/3/23

Subject: 2015 belmont 8 gen female lb  AP  Highest *8  generation % 72.60 to 65.75,64.18 Fappiano/ Storm Cat nick
People Forget Storm Cat has a Argentina Influence in his pedigree Very little in breeding for AP 

1st fappiano/s cat 14
AMERICAN PHAROAH C, 2012 DP = 2-3-3-0-0 (8) DI = 4.33   CD = 0.88
Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines
...[Message truncated]
View Full Message
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

6/3/23

Subject: 2014 belmont 8 gen female linebreeding  Tapit Sire win, with strong PrinceQ Sires and Mares both sides
(ST Simon)  WON by a Head
1st tapit/pleasant colony 3L P/N
TONALIST C, 2011 DP = 5-17-18-1-1 (42) DI = 2.82   CD = 0.57
Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses
...[Message truncated]
View Full Message
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

6/3/23

Subject: 2013 belmont winners 8 generations female linebreeding:: Had to go to the 9th generation to find Females
Inbreeding.for Palice Malice.. Teflon Special
curlin/nureyev 2s
1st     mumtaz begum 9c,  da/bt sun princess, nasrullah 9 generation top
PALACE MALICE C, 2010 DP = 4-5-11-0-0 (20) DI = 2.64   CD = 0.65  curlin/nuruyev
 
Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines Blood%
...[Message truncated]
View Full Message
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

6/3/23

 by a Neck
Subject: 2012 belmont 8 gen female linebreeding
1st nor dan/ gone west 13b
UNION RAGS C, 2009 DP = 9-5-14-2-0 (30) DI = 2.33   CD = 0.70
Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines Blood%
...[Message truncated]
View Full Message
Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

6/5/23

Was looking at AGRs for past winners......their percentages are really......um...........low.  

 

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

6/5/23

2011 belmont 8 gen female linebreeding:: BY 3/4,1 1/2,-51/4
1st mr p/alydar14a 

RULER ON ICE G, 2008 DP = 6-1-9-0-0 (16) DI = 2.56   CD = 0.81  IN THE SLOP

Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines Blood%
...[Message truncated]
View Full Message
TOP