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Started 7/2/21 by smartyslew; 345683 views.
Msg 2164 of 2649 to smartyslewsmartyslew 
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Gerh

From: Gerh

Jun-7

Interesting article.Thanks for posting it Rob.

 
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Msg 2165 of 2649
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Jun-8

9 generation Inbreeding 1st chart, 8 generationFemale linebreeding 2nd chart
2023 Belmont Contenders
ANGEL OF EMPIRE C,2020 DP 4-4-2-0-0(10)DI 9.00 CD 1.20, 26, Classic Empire 4m/To Honor& Serve4r
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Msg 2166 of 2649
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Jun-8

FORTE C, 2020 DP = 4-4-5-1-0 (14) DI = 3.00   CD = 0.79 1x, Violence 1g/Blame 5h
Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines Blood% Influence
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Msg 2167 of 2649 to smartyslewsmartyslew 
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Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

Jun-8

smartyslew said...

I'm sorry it upsets you, and it's a pet peeve I hope you retain something positive from it

even with its defects.

I hope you did not misunderstand.  Your posting great data is not upsetting. 

I meant that Baffert's horses, IMHO, don't really run to their breeding, and/or I don't trust it.  So when I look at stats, I just remove those from my view until maybe the 3rd or 4th pass.   Or in case of shortened race, I also delete those from my "view" when analyzing. 

Its just my way of how my brain "sorts" data.   

If I were posting stats for each horse/year, on a forum, like you are, I would of course, include them, and as  you say, let the reader/end-user, apply whatever due dilligence to the data as they choose. 

Was just pointing out how I assimilate and translate data, on a personal basis.  :)  Hoping it may be helpful to others.  

 
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Msg 2168 of 2649 to WintertrianWintertrian 
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Jun-8

Thats all good to know, thank you.

 
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Msg 2169 of 2649
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Jun-8

9 generation Inbreeding 1st chart, 8 generationFemale linebreeding 2nd chart
2023 Belmont Contenders
HIT SHOW C, 2020 DP = 2-5-6-1-0 (14) DI = 2.50   CD = 0.57 A1, Candy Ride 13c/ Tapit 3o
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Jun-8

NATIONAL TREASUREC,2020 DP 4-4-7-1-0(16) DI 2.56 CD 0.69 4c,Quality Road 13c,/Medag.D'Oro 9b
Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines Blood% Influence AGR
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Msg 2171 of 2649
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Jun-8

all 9 contenders linebreeding are now listed on this thread

TAPIT SHOES C, 2020 DP = 4-11-12-1-0 (28) DI = 3.00   CD = 0.64,8h,Tapit 3o/Flower Alley 17b

Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines Blood% Influence AGR
MR PROSPECTOR  13 c 4s x 5S x 5D x 5D x 6d Fappiano 16a, Preach 2f,Fort
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Msg 2172 of 2649
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Jun-8

Here Is a  Tidbit I ran across Not long ago angles for the Belmont Stakes 21 races in the
Twenty First Century omiting the 2020 9f B. Stakes only 3 winners have wired the 
field and 2 are the TC Winners and that is hard to do and only 5 closers 5+ lengths back at the 1/2 mile call.
both angles are listed below.Either angle 8f time is 37.4,38.0 ish. I laid out National Treasure splits
Wire Job for the Preakness which is a different pace Scenario a shorter distance.his 4f and 6f raw time is
slower than the 3 belmont wire jobs and 8f faster with a fast Q. 23.58  Do you think he can wire this field.
3 closers in last race  Angel Of Empire 13 lengths behind,Forte 5 1/4 L Behind, Tapit Trice 15 behind
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3 gate to wire winners------2f------4f ----6f----8f----10f------12f--
Da Tara  2008                   23.4   48.1  12.4  37.4   2.03.1  2.29.3   
American Pharoah 2015     24.0   48.4  13.2  37.4   2.02.1  2.26.3 
Justify 2018                      23.1   48.0  13.1  38.0   2.02.4  2.28.0 
(National Treasure                23.95  48.92 13.49 37.07   55.12  last 3/16- 2023)
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5 winners 5  + lengths back  at 1/2 mile mark
Afleet Alex 2005                24.2   48.3  12.4  38.0   2.04.1  2.28.3
Jazil 2006                         23.0   47.1  12.0  37.2   2.02.3   2.27.4
Creator 2016                    24.0   48.2  13.1  37.4   2.03.0   2.28.2         
Sir Winston  2019             23.4   48.3  13.2  38.1   2.02.3   2.28.1
Essential Quality 2021       22.3   46.2  12.0  37.2   2.02.1   2.27.0
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Angel of Empire                  24.30,  48.38  11.84  37.02  2.01.7 10t Derby G1
                                           24.08   23.46  25.18  24.68 lastQ         13behind
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Arcangelo                           25.05   49.35 13.54   37.59   49.71  1/8 12.12  g3 9f
                                           24.30   24.19   24.05  Last Q 24.15
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Forte                                  24.69   47.74  11.54   36.87   49.37  1/8 12.50 g1 9r  
                                        23..05    23.80   25.33   Laast Q 25.14   X 51/4 behind
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Hit Show                           23.38    46.44   10.83   36.37  2.02.82  10fDerby G1
                                         23.06    24.39   25,54   26.45 Last Q
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Il Miracolo                         23.02   45.34     10.48   37.12 last Q 26.64 8f allo OC 100,000
                                        22.32      25.14   26.64
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