The last couple of Days its been Storming here and Losing Power Has prevented me

from posting on here sooner.

As Much as I Love Forte who I think is the class of this field will not be on top
for this race. Earlier I said Arcangelo would be played in every Slot in my tickets
I forgot The Peter Pan is a one Turn 9f race. I'm still playing him in every slot
and his race Pattern is similiar to Tonalist who won the Belmont and Peter Pan
and my play and pick that year. My top 2 in here is Arcangelo and Hit Show the 
pattern for The way I see the Pace I think will help those 2 and I think Hit Show's
jock learned a lot in the Derby's fast pace and if that didn't take to much
out of Hit Show he should try to rate and relax and slow him done his splits to
the Mile in the Derby suggests a set up to be there in the final 2 furlongs and that is
Tough and doable in my opinion ,I think this group projected 12f race is as good as it gets
for 3 yr olds Packing 126 pounds. some Trainers are savvy enough to work their Contenders
Carrying 126 pounds or more that gets overlooked by most. I don't know who they are
That Jock working Tapit Trice looks big on tv.

Look at messages 2172 and 2173 this thread comparing splits

to past winners from their splits in their last race and key on Hit Show

and National Treasure for these Raw Time comparisons.

Then look for their speed numbers awarded for their races and the pace.

My tickets besides Arcangelo and Hit Show will have the 3 derby runners that skipped

the preakness that angle has won 10 of the last 20 derbys plus 2 tc winners that ran in the

Preakness N/A for this edition Angel Of Empire , Tapit Trice Besides Hit Show thats 4 entrants

Be aware of #5 Il MiraColo the long shot, raced with Front wrapsi his last 2, Last Race his 10th
1st time Lasix Hit his top speed number 89L at one mile on 5/11 has worked 2 bullets since then
Its amazing the next time no lasix How That chemistry makes their numbers jump leaps and bounds
even from a 8f race going longer, and 2 works since might have one on lasix. needs to makeup 13 lengths.

I forgot Tapit Shoes bred for 12f, last 4 races with Lasix crept up 86 88 93 98 top number, 75 1st mdn race top
no lasix. next 1st w/o lasix might be a Miracle LOL.

others on my ticket will be one with the Non Lasix Forte and National Ticket added 

and one with the 3 longshots , not sure if IL Miracolo Chemistry will be used.

Forte was much the best, looked like he'd finish last in the final turn, went 8 wide, and missed by two lengths. AOE and Tapit Trice had no excuse.

How they did in the belmont on angles  from message 2178 with their tops numbers Non Pedigrees angles.

by bris without lasix being used.

1st Arcangelo 101 g3, 2nd Forte 103 g2, 3rd Tapit Trice 102 g1, 4th DH Hit Show 99 g2, Angel Of Empire 101 g1
6th National Treasure 100 g1, 7th Il Miracolo 85 g1, 8th Red Route One  95g1,9th Tapit Shoes 75 Mdn.
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highest with L used Tapit Shoes 98-stks,Il Miracolo  89 Oc, Red Route One 98 L Stks, (all 3 L number higher than non L)
interesting the 3 with Best Number on lasix finished 7-8-9, the last 3...
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Speed Last Race Arcangelo 1st 101,2nd Forte 100, 3rd Tapit Trice 93, 4th Hit Show 96, Angel 101
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Back Speed ::103 Forte 102 Tapit Trice 101  Angel Of Empire  99 Hit Show 98L, 2-3-4-4, Arcangelo 1st 97L
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Early Last; 1st Arcangelo 68, 2nd Forte 90, 3rd Tapit Trice  77,Hit Show 100, Angel 81,Tapit Shoes 100-Last.
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Late Pace Last : 1st Arcangeno 122,2nd Forte 96, 3rd Tapit Trice 86, 4th Hit Show 82. Angel 95
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I see now yes the 8 generation female linebreeding blood and agr usually is lower then

the 9 generation Male and Female Linebreeding charts. 
I should of did the 9 generation charts the males can show more crosses sometimes

10 or more and have over 20 % agr 3x4,4x4 etc influence.

I put both together  for this years crop they came in almost in order of their 9 generation  linebreeding pedigree

Chart.

Lets see How message 2130 did for the belmont Copied below, check the date for that message 5/29/23
Page 108 this thread.

Arcangelo did have the closest up linebreeding 3x4 and and high AGR over 20 % closest 
Also family 8f and the 3rd Conduit Belmont win last 16 years, Jazil & Rags to Riches 2 others
Equal to tapits 3 derby wins Deputy Minister below Sire of Better Than Honour 8f the 3rd Dam
Nijinsky 8f and Raise The Native 8f have the same Conduit as ARC  and thats 2 amplifiers for
The tail Female Familiy 8f Lots OF influence strong for TC races, this family more for the Belmont
Keep a picture of the Sires & Mares and their progeny and family and Rasmussen Factor LIke
Forte when you see his wonderful Linebreeding at least 10 progeny listed are in many TC race winnersl
JJ a perfect ride that was Beahtiful.
Arcangelo

How I read the splits from their last races to cap the Belmont  message 2137 page 108
Arcangelo won Belmont: splits all 24's to 9f and how he did it, 12f type
all 12's clicked 1/8ths after 1st 1/4, Angel close for 1/8's,distance suspect

National Treasure: Front Runner 10f top under right conditions, 1st Q fast.2nd Q almost 25
Red Route One Best numbers with lasix toss, Tapit Shoes last 4 races with lasix 70 something 
number with out. Toss. Arcangelo if Mage and Tonalist can do it why not; JJ fit him like a glove
in the PeterPan and a Perfect ride in the Belmont  and Pedigree says yes.
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smartyslew said:

2023 belmont Contenders splits from their last race. Angel of Empire     24.30,  48.38  11.84   37.02   2.01.70 10t Derby G1                                            24.08  23..46  25.18  24.68 lastQ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arcangelo             25.05   49.35   13.54   37.59   49.71  1/8 12.12  g3 9f                                          24.30   24.19   24.05  Last Q 24.15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   Forte                    24.69   47.74    11.54    36.87   49.37  1/8 12.50 g1 9r                                           23..05    23.80   25.33   Laast Q 25.14 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hit Show              23.38    46.44   10.83    36.37  2.02.82  10fDerby G1                                          23.06   24..39   25,54   26.45 Last Q ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Il Miracolo            23.02   45.34     10.48    37.12 last Q 26.64 8f allo OC 100,000                                         22.32      25.14   26.64 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ National Treasure 23.95  48.92     13.49    37.07   55.12  last 3/16 18.05 Prk G1                                          24.97    24.57    23.58         23.95 Last Q -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------  Raise Cain          23.59   47.14     11.12    36.71   2.03.57 10f Derby G1                                          23.55     23.98    25.59    26.86 Last Q -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  Red Route One   25.06   49.64     13.80    37.78    56.08 Last 3/16 18.30 Prk G1                                               24.58      24.16   23.98    24.31 last Q -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------                                                                                  Tapit Shoes         23.17    47.16      12.26   38.34    50.95 1/8 13.61,  9f S                                          23.99      25.10   26.08    Last Q 26.65 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tapit Trice           24.61     48.76      12.14   37.31   2.03.42  10f, Derby G1                                          24.15       23.28  25..03   26.11 Last Q   G1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prove Worthy     24.30     49.21      13.44   38.68    2.03.80  10 f MSW                 24.91      24..23  25.24    25.12 Last Q
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Message 2138 main Female Families for the 21st Century Belmont winners page 108
Arcangelo 8f,  2023 winners is loaded with family 8f  one of the Dominant female families for The Belmont
and many other branches of family 8 within 5 generations.

2023 Arcangelo 8f(7) 8c 3  Storm Cat

2022 Mo Donegal  8c(7)
2020 Tiz The Law 8k(5) 8f 1
2018 Justify 8c(5) 4 8f
2016 Creator 8f (7) 4 8h
2013 Palace Malice 8k(4) 2 8f,2 8c,1 8g, 1 8h
2012 Union Rags 8f (5) 1 8d
2011 Ruler On Ice 8c(6) 5 8h,2 8f, 1 8d 
2010 Drosselmeyer 8f(5), 1 8d
2009 Summer Bird  8f(8) 1 8d
2007 Rags To Riches 8f(6),2 8c, 2 8d
2006 Jazil 8f(6) 2 8c, 2 8d
*2005 Afleet Alex 8f(2) 8j 2,1 8d,5g(10)5h 3,1 5f
2004 Birdstone 8f(7)
2003 Empire Maker 8f(6) ,1 8c, 1 8d
2002 Sarava 8c(4) 2 8h
2000 Commendable 8f(4)2 8c ,2 8d,

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*Family 5  another angle goes with family 8 added together 19 positions Afleet Alex 5 with family 8.
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