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2021 2 year olds   Handicapping

Started 7/2/21 by smartyslew; 140165 views.

From: smartyslew


Foreign Jock ?

He could stay in the gate, Cut off, bumped bolt, run wide, hit by a whip etc, jock dumped

pedigree query site put in any derby horse name click on reports, select stakes races ,click on kentucky derby

the list has every derby race Mandaloun 2021 listed 1st at the top, click on his name , it will show Sire In To Mischief

Empire Maker BMSire  it will show Storm Cat Sire Line for Into Mischief, Empire Maker Has Fappiano Sire Line

Thus Storm Cat/ Fappiano Sirelines a Derbt winning Nick, Authentic Is Next Storm Cat/  Mr P.

I listed the Nicks that has won at least one derby race entered, You can go thru and count how many

of each, It just an angle that won a derby entered this year.  Or You can go to the Site  triplecrownproject info Every horse

entered in any TC race is indexed for all 3 races each race listed in the order they came in back to the first race.


From: smartyslew


Foal Date last 61 years of Derby Winners  with the Dams age on The Foal Date
and The crop year for the Dam. 43 of 61 derby winners were in The 1st crop to 4th Crop
range. If a Winner has a Dam's age in double Digits 10 or more on the Foal Date or the 5th 
crop or higher it goes to the who are they  like 3 or 4 Stakes Winners a Known producer
Dam . I'ii mark the ones with The RF for either the Horse, Sire, Or Dam 6x6 or closer. a Derby Nick
I won't mark the horses with the Dam under 10, or crops 4 and Under.
-----------------foal  date---------Dam age----crops          
Mandoulon            3/18/18          7                2   
Authentic              5/5/17          10                3  nick,Prince x fact
Country House      5/8/16          10                 4  Rf  Princequillo line
Justify                  3/28/15          8                 3
Always Dreaming  2/25/14         16                 9   RF Something Royal
Nyquist                3/10/13          6                  1st
American Pharoah 2/12/12          6                 2nd
California Chrome 2/18/11          5                 1st
Orb                      2/24/10         11                4
Ill Have Another    4/1/09            7                 3  
Animal Kingdom    3/20/08          7                 1st
Super Saver         3/18/07          12                4th-  3 SW BMS rf
Mine That Bird      5/10/06          5                  1st Prince x factor
Big Brown            4/10/05           6                  2  RF
Street Sense        2/23/04           7                  1 
Barbaro               4/29/03           7                   2                 
Giacomo              2/16/02          12                  5
Smarty Jones       2/28/01           9                   2
Funny Cide          4/20/00            7                   2
War Emblem        2/20/99           9                   3
Monarchos           2/9/98            11                  4
Fusaichi Pegasus   4/12/97          7                    4
Charismatic          3/13/96          16                   9  RF 3 lines Something Royal 2s              
Real Quiet            3/7/ 95           12                  6  Sire RF
Silver Charm        2/22/94          12                  5   rf 1x Latroienne
Grindstone           1/23/93          12                   7 rf Sire Unbridled
Thunder Gulch      5/23/92           5                   1st
Go For Gin            4/18/91         12                   4
Sea Hero              3/4/90           17 1x rf           9 1x RF  7 sw   
Lil E Tee               3/29/89          7                     2
Strike The Gold     3/21/88          9                    4
Unbridled              3/5/87           6                    1st   
Sunday Silence      3/25/86        11                    1st
Winning Colors (f)  3/14/85        12                    7   rf 
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From: smartyslew


910 message updated !


From: Oldbettowin


Fascinating stuff.  I know Better than Honour had two progeny win the Belmont with Jazil and Rags to Riches but has any dam ever come close to producing two derby winners that you know of?


From: princeofdoc


Great stuff, thanks!

Have you also compared the sire age/crop with Derby winners?


From: pianot


Agree, Smarty pours out some great info!


From: smartyslew


thanks, no, not yet !


From: smartyslew


I don't recall, All of a sudden I have that Maga Disease. Maybe somebody can find the time to look it up

before I have Time To do.


From: smartyslew


4/29 Derby Smorgasboard :

Who will win the 2022 Kentucky Derby?

Epicenter: 14.38%

Messier: 13.07%

Taiba: 11.11%

Zandon: 9.80%

Mo Donegal: 7.84%

Charge It: 7.84%

Tiz the Bomb: 6.54%

White Abarrio: 5.88%

Simplification: 4.58%

Crown Pride: 4.58%

Smile Happy: 3.92%

Early Voting: 2.61%

Cyberknife: 2.61%

Barber Road: 1.96%

Zozos: 1.31%

Pioneer of Medina: 1.31%

Un Ojo: 0.65%

Other: 0.00%

Tawny Port: 0.00%

Summer Is Tomorrow: 0.00%

In Due Time: 0.00%

Happy Jack: 0.00%

Get Out and Vote This Week !!!!