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Based on Malachi 3:16-18 I believe the Lord will harken to us as we consider his word together.

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From: PAULFROMNYS

Oct-26

   He came to a cave, where he spent the night. But the Lord said to him, What are you doing here, Elijah? (1 Kings 19:9 NLT)

   “You have no business to be here” – that is what it means. Yes, prophets and apostles could make mistakes, and they did; but there is this about it – because they had seen, and were utterly abandoned to that which they had seen of the Lord?s mind, the Lord was abundantly able to come in on their mistakes and sovereignly overrule them and teach His servants something more of Himself and His ways. Now, you never find that with people who are indefinite. The indefinite people, those who are not meaning business, who are not abandoned, never do learn anything of the Lord. It is the people who commit themselves, who let go and go right out in the direction of whatever measure of light the Lord has given them, who, on the one hand, find their mistakes – the mistakes of their very zeal – taken hold of by Divine sovereignty and overruled; and, on the other hand, are taught by the Lord through their very mistakes what His thoughts are, how He does things, and how He does not do them. If we are going to wait in indefiniteness and uncertainty and do nothing until we know it all, we shall learn nothing. Have you not noticed that it is the men and women whose hearts are aflame for God, who have seen something truly from the Lord and have been mightily gripped by what they have seen, who are the people that are learning? The Lord is teaching them; He does not allow their blunders and their mistakes to engulf them in destruction. He sovereignly overrules, and in the long run they are able to say, “Well, I made some awful blunders, but the Lord marvelously took hold of them and turned them to good account.” To be like this, with vision which gathers up our whole being and masters us, provides the Lord with the ground for looking after us even when we make mistakes – because His interests are at stake, His interests and not our own are the concern of our heart. The prophets and the apostles learned to know the Lord in wonderful ways by their very mistakes, for they were the mistakes, not of their own stubborn self-will, but of a real passion for God and for what He had shown them as to His purpose. 

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From: PAULFROMNYS

Oct-26

   The issue then is to be abandoned to our Lord, and trust that on this ground GOD will work with us.  My question is, is there a work from GOD in the new birth that we become abandoned to Him, or does that precede the new birth?

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Oct-27

PAULFROMNYS said:

My question is, is there a work from GOD in the new birth that we become abandoned to Him, or does that precede the new birth?

Good question. Actually, I think this question gets at the heart of the argument, which is a least 500 years old, between "Calvinism" and "Arminianism." 

One argues that God has predestinated and fore-ordained and that there is nothing man can do to either resist or advance what God has ordained.

The other argues that man's will reigns supreme, and that we decide entirely whether God's grace is successful.

I believe the truth lies somewhere in between. God is sovereign, and, man has a free will.

My early Christian experience was with the Pentecostals, who are Arminian in their theology. How this works out practically, is that they believe that once you are saved, if you experience failure, or sin, then you can be lost again, lose your salvation. As a result, they constantly preach the gospel with alter calls to the congregation, because you never know how many of them have lost their salvation during the last week. 

I have come to believe that once we are begotten of God, that is eternal. Once the eternal life enters into us, we eternally belong to God. He never leaves us, not forsakes us.

However, there is such a thing in God's economy as reward and loss, loss being judgement. This explains many passages such as Hebrews 6 which confuse people. Judgement must begin from the house of God. Judged for what? Not sin, Jesus bore our sins. Judgement for slothfulness, worldliness, lukewarmness, and a host of other things that keep us from cooperating with so great a salvation. 

God is sovereign, we are saved for eternity, but man has a free will, and we will all stand before the judgement seat of Christ.

1 Peter  4:17   For it is time for the judgment to begin from the house of God; and if first from us, what will be the end of those who disobey the gospel of God?
 4:18   And if the righteous man is saved only with difficulty, where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?

2 Corinthians  5:10   For we must all be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done through the body according to what he has practiced, whether good or bad.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Oct-27

   if I understand you correctly, you believe the abandonment precedes the new birth. 

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Oct-28

I don't know what "the abandonment" is.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Oct-28

   being abandoned to GOD, needing only clarity as to how to proceed.

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