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Based on Malachi 3:16-18 I believe the Lord will harken to us as we consider his word together.

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Right standing with GOD #16   T. Austin Sparks

Started Oct-15 by PAULFROMNYS; 24 views.
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Oct-15

   

What is the nature of this warfare? What is it that is against Zion - this true, spiritual thing, this true heavenly thing, this true eternal thing - what is the nature of the conflict? How does the enemy work to defeat Zion? First of all, he uses the carnal nature of man. What do we mean by carnal? Well, of course the first letter to the Corinthians tells us what that is.

There are two things in that letter, these two things are over against one another: the carnal – the spiritual. These two things are in conflict. Now, what is the nature and meaning of the carnal? And in this way we are all more or less carnal, we are all less or more spiritual. What do we mean by that? Well I’ll tell you very simply. Do you have any difficulty in accepting and believing in the superiority of the spiritual, the far greater importance of the spiritual to the natural? Do you have any difficulty over that? Is it not man’s very nature now to want to see things, want to feel things, want to handle things? The greatest difficulty of the natural man is to believe that the spiritual is far greater than the natural.

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Oct-15

   

This natural way of our nature is always wanting to put something up on this earth that we can see. Our natural idea of success is how big a thing is. Just how much people can say, “Well, look at that! That’s a success!” So a material thing on this earth just satisfies the natural man, the flesh. The natural man just must have something that he can see. He must have something that he can feel! He must have a demonstration of things. He must have signs and wonders. He must have manifestations. There’s a lot contained in that isn’t there?

Oh, how we Christians just love to have demonstrations! If you have signs and wonders and things that look like miracles, well, that’s success; we say, “Now this is it!” That’s a real characteristic of the natural man and we are meeting more of that today than ever before. The Corinthian church was the most unspiritual church of all. And the mark of its unspirituality was its love of demonstrations - this natural life which loves to see and feel something... which loves to point to something on this earth and say, “Now you see, that’s a success! That is really a big thing.” And how difficult it is to believe that something quite small may after all be the more real thing than anything else.

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Oct-15

   

The Battle

The battle for Zion is the battle between what is spiritual and what is carnal. We’re all in this battle and this is something that you must remember: the further we go with the Lord, the older we are in the true Christian life, the less the Lord satisfies our natural life.

When we are little children spiritually, the Lord deals with us as little children. And how do you parents deal with your little children? The little child says Mummy or Daddy I want so-and-so. And if they will only say it often enough you will give it to them just to keep them quiet; just to please them, because after all, they’re little children... In the early stages of the Christian life that is how our Father deals with us.

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Oct-15

   

The apostle Paul said to the Corinthians, “I could not, could not speak to you as grown men but as little children,” and a mark of their being little children was that the Lord gave them many spiritual gifts. He gave them the gift of tongues, the gift of healing and other gifts. Oh, these are very nice things for little children, they satisfy the little child’s life and Father just gives them.

You grow up and see what happens! When we are coming to full growth we find that we have to live by faith and not by sight. We have to believe God because He is and not because of what He gives us. The older we get spiritually, the less the Lord deals with us as little children. He deals with us as grown men. Paul said, “When I was a child, I behaved as a child, I thought as a child, I spoke as a child. When I became a man I put away childish things.” But that sets up a good deal of conflict doesn’t it?

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Oct-15

   

Oh, the Lord is not doing what He used to do, “There was a time when I seemed to have only to ask the Lord and He gave it to me, oh, it was so wonderful... What has happened to me? I pray and the Lord doesn’t seem to even hear me. I ask the Lord for a lot of things and He doesn’t give them to me. What has gone wrong?” And the conflict is on. A real spiritual battle isn’t it, why the Lord is dealing with us like this.

You know we’re in Hebrews still, “God dealeth with you as with sons,” not children. The New Testament draws a clear distinction between children and sons. Children are the little born again ones. Sons are the grown up ones. God deals with you as with sons. And these people to whom this letter was written were having a very difficult time and this letter was written to try and help them in their difficulties because God was dealing with them as grown Christians.

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Oct-15

   

I wonder if I’ve said enough to make clear what the controversy of Zion is in the first place. Is this not true: the real battle is between our natural life and our spiritual life, between my old man and my new man, between my earthly life and my heavenly life. That is the controversy of Zion because it is all concerned with our spiritual life because Zion is a spiritual thing and it is this spiritual thing that is going, in the end, to take the throne. The controversy of Zion... first between the natural and the spiritual.

The second thing, between:

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Oct-15

   

The Traditional and the Spiritual.

Where do we Christians who really want to go on with the Lord find our greatest difficulty? Am I going to say a very terrible thing? We do not find in the first place that our greatest difficulty is with the world. True spirituality has its battle mainly against traditional Christianity.

When the Lord first showed this to me and I went all out in heart for something really spiritual of the Lord, something really heavenly, I thought - I foolishly thought! – “Why, then all the Christians, the evangelical Christians, will take sides with me! My, they will be inviting me to speak at their conventions, to preach in their churches! I’m sure this is what they want!” There was no more foolish man on this earth than I was then! I found that the doors of all the churches just closed! I found that all the suspicion and misunderstanding and the opposition came from traditional Christianity.

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